Friday, June 16, 2006

Gay Activism Coming to a School Near You!

update June 21, 2006 (See chain of events here)


Thanks talkwisdom for this reminder!

New home of Article 8 Alliance and Parents Rights Coalition Update:

David Parker's first-grade son surrounded and beaten up at school on anniversary of same-sex "marriage" in Massachusetts.

School acknowledges that attack by group of kids was "planned and premeditated."

Caps year-long public campaign of anti-Parker hate by activists in town.

Young children also polarized and confused by homosexual normalization programs in schools.

This outrageous incident should not come as a surprise to anyone. The hatred and vituperative nature of the homosexual activists and their allies, both in the schools and in the community, toward anyone who does not agree with their agenda has been well documented. This also clearly demonstrates the complete ineffectiveness and moral bankruptcy of the so-called "safe schools" programs, which cause far more problems than they solve. Unless things are forced to change, more innocent children will be at risk.

Here is a Recap:
Teacher tells parents that theme of day was "weddings" and that gay marriage is legal - "I want to present all points of view." NO notice given!

Principal tells parents (1) they cannot opt out (2) there will be no parental notification despite state law and (3) "I will not guarantee that something like this won't happen again".

Pro-gay Superintendent and School Board Chairman tell TV reporters they agree with decision.

Teacher attended GLSEN presentation promoting homosexuality in classroom. David Parker makes statement.

42 Comments:

At 6/16/2006 11:22 PM, Blogger highboy said...

So its okay to indoctrinate them one way but not another. Got it. The public education system is a farce. I'd rather piss glass than send my boy to one of these schools. It seems like one of the qualifications for liberalism is believing that the same teacher that can't seem to teach a 4th grader to read properly is somehow qualified to teach a 4th grader about sex.

 
At 6/17/2006 12:18 AM, Blogger Mark said...

Highboy,
B I N G O ! we have a winner!

...not to mention perhaps 4th graders may be legally married in a short period of time in the near future if this slippery slope does not hit one of 'Mother Earth's' oak trees with some Gollywood 'has been' nesting in it. :)

 
At 6/19/2006 3:22 AM, Blogger Jody said...

Except that the "beating" had nothing to do with gay rights, anti-Parker hate, the "vituperative nature of the homosexual activists and their allies," moral bankruptcy or any of the other spurious links you cite.

 
At 6/19/2006 9:24 AM, Blogger Mark said...

jody,
thanks for that udate/press release. I appreciate that.

I'll update the post after furter review. My postion against homosexual 'education' and mock marriages of homosexuals in the public schools remains the same; It's wrong and will be opposed.

 
At 6/19/2006 11:05 PM, Blogger Christinewjc said...

Hi Mark,

Don't let the gay activists get away with their "spin machine." Go to my post at Talkwisdom and read the update I posted in the comment section.

 
At 6/19/2006 11:10 PM, Blogger Christinewjc said...

P.S. I smell a cover-up attempt...and it sure stinks!

 
At 6/20/2006 8:47 AM, Blogger Mark said...

I have read the press release from the school. I have seen the pictures of parents and their children gathering in the streets rallying hate for Parker. Fact: The school district made it very clear where they stood from the very begining (hand in hand); right along side the Gay Activist shoving their 'agenda' down throats of children.

As Christine has pointed out....

It goes without saying that the hypocrisy surrounding this is breathtaking. If this had been the other side - for instance, a child with "gay" parents who had been assaulted - they would have practically closed the schools over it. But when this incident occurred, it appears to have been downplayed as much as possible. School officials determined that neither the school nurse nor the police should be called - that the school would handle it. No one was suspended from school; instead (as the Superintendent mentioned) they got yet another session of the pro-homosexual "Open Circle" diversity program. (GASP)

The bottom line: A lot of people want to know why it took the school system an entire month to take this seriously. If we hadn't publicly raised the issue they would still be trying to sweep it under the table. That's why citizens' groups like MassResistance are so important.

THE POST WILL REMAIN.

 
At 6/20/2006 9:55 AM, Blogger Christinewjc said...

Hey Mark,

Take a look at what Ohio is doing. This pdf paper describing The Legal Liability
Associated with Homosexuality Education in Public Schools
An assessment of the risks and liabilities associated with
policies and programs that normalize homosexual behavior in public schools
says it all quite well and clearly!!

 
At 6/20/2006 10:31 AM, Blogger Christinewjc said...

P.S. Just a word of warning: Some of the contents included in the above pdf paper link may be very disturbing to some readers.

 
At 6/20/2006 10:52 AM, Blogger Mark said...

many thanks christine! Ohio is looking better all the time!

 
At 6/20/2006 11:41 AM, Blogger Jody said...

Now the Lexington Police Department, the Lexington District Attorney office and the Department of Social Services have also indicated that nothing along the lines of what you've described has happened. It was kids fighting over a chair.... dumb, but that's what 7 year olds do.

There's no "spin" going on here. The school system took it seriously the day it occurred. Both children had consequences, both children's parent's were called, and both children wound up on playdates together right after the incident concluded.

There was no system-wide coverup, no anti-Christian pogrom executed by First Graders, no dark conspiracy that brave bloggers are now brining the light of truth to. There's only a collective of folks with persecution complexes spreading lies and falsehoods because it makes them feel better.

 
At 6/20/2006 11:46 AM, Blogger jas said...

ccv.org. that doesnt really look like a bipartisan resource to quote. i could probably quote hitler about what was wrong with homosexuality, but by coming from him, it probably doesnt mean as much.

i do agree that homosexuality should be left out of curriculum, but i think theology should also, unless an elective class was created in which these issues were discussed, like in college.

 
At 6/20/2006 11:51 AM, Blogger Mark said...

jody, I stand by the original post, you are welcome to comment and put links refuting it. I have read many, and I am glad the kids made up, but it is quite a different story put out by the school then it was originally, so I'll let it play out as each day there is more added. also the Public annoucement really was quite a rambling of 'uncertanities' and coming from the source, I distrust the school board completely.

 
At 6/20/2006 11:55 AM, Blogger Mark said...

jody, curious, do you stand with the Gov of MD firing the 'intolerant' roman catholic for his views on homosexuality?

 
At 6/20/2006 12:32 PM, Blogger Jody said...

I distrust the school board completely...

I'm assuming then that you also distrust the Lexington police department, child protective services office and DA's office, who also concluded that what you've described in your post above didn't happen?

As far as the Maryland firing goes, the subject before us, here, in this thread, is your fantasy about the conspiratorial skills of Lexington Massachusetts' gay residents, government officials and first graders. Matters in the south are best left for another day.

 
At 6/20/2006 12:38 PM, Blogger Mark said...

jody,
they made no such conclusions, rather it was decided if they would presue a case, which was no. Many bad things Actually happen and are not legally prosecuted.

Fanatsy? and you were being so tolerant with me. :(

 
At 6/20/2006 7:33 PM, Blogger Jody said...

Mark, if anti-Christan gangs of first graders were rampaging through Lexington playgrounds pillaging and pummeling defenseless Christian students under orders from a sinister cabal of Militant Homosexualist Parents, CPS, LPD and the DAs office would be all over it. Press, publicity, fame, fortune, higher office -- the opportunities are grand.

The "bad thing" that happened was two seven year olds got into a fight over seating arrangements at lunch. Happens on playgrounds across the country every day. Crime against humanity it ain't.

And you are right. I am being pretty intolerant of quarter-truths being passed off as fact purely because it serves your agenda.

 
At 6/20/2006 8:18 PM, Blogger Mark said...

jody,
your summary of events in your last comment are just that, yours. No one said anything about a gang of anti-christian first graders or a group sinister cabal of Militant Homosexualist Parents, nor was it ever said it was a crime against humanity. Try reading what was posted.

I have seen so much of your kind of spin before, even when adolescent / child victims themselves tell their story of being encouraged to enagage in sexual relationships with 'gay' men by a Publically funded 'group' set up to help confused youth. Utter crap! You speak of half truths? amazing since you make up your own and attempt to shove it in the face of those like me.

My agenda vs yours, you are correct.

 
At 6/20/2006 9:45 PM, Blogger Christinewjc said...

I received the following additional information via email. I think it is very telling of what is going on here and STILL SMELLS OF A COVER-UP!

District Attorney, Police, and DSS all suddenly decline to investigate beating of David Parker's son. Superintendent continues to spin story in Boston Globe.


Exactly one business day after Lexington Superintendent Paul Ash publicly requested three government agencies to investigate the beating of David Parker's son, all three mysteriously announced they decline to get involved.

[Note from Chris: Ask yourself, if this were an investigation about the beating of a gay student would gay activists approve of dropping the investigation so abruptly??? I DON'T THINK SO! THEY WOULD BE SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER!]

On Friday, June 16, Ash issued a press release stating that he had officially referred the matter to the Middlesex County District Attorney, the Lexington Police, and the Massachusetts Department of Social Services. We reported this in our last email. Then on Monday, June 19, Ash issued the following press release:

http://lps.lexingtonma.org/
Press Release: Paul B. Ash, Ph.D., Superintendent of Schools:

UPDATE: JUNE 19, 2006

Recently, the media reported on a playground fight at Estabrook School in Lexington, Massachusetts, where one first grade student hit another first grade student. After the media focus on this incident, the Estabrook School principal issued a letter to parents reporting the details of this incident and the school's response, and the Superintendent of the Lexington Public Schools issued a similar report to the community and the press. Because of an allegation that the incident was "fueled and incited by adults (and yes, school officials)," the Superintendent, after having conducted his own investigation, referred the incident to the Lexington Police Department, the Middlesex District Attorney and the Department of Social Service(DSS).

The Lexington Police Department has issued the following statement, "The school department is handling this situation involving two first graders professionally and does not require action from the police." The Child Abuse Prevention office of the District Attorney and the DSS have each declined to initiate investigations, in part because the parents of the first grader who was hit have not filed a complaint, and in part because they found no basis for an investigation in the facts and circumstances reported. The School Committee and the Superintendent have both concluded that the allegation of adult involvement in and/or incitement of this minor playground incident is entirely without merit.


To start with, the tone of this is very insulting; it demeans the Parkers' allegations in a very condescending manner. But there's something more sinister going on. Ask yourself: What government agency can receive a request, conduct an assessment of the situation, discuss it, make a decision, and announce that decision -- all in less than ONE BUSINESS DAY? None that we've ever seen. And the odds mathematically impossible that THREE government agencies could do it (on the same day) and come up with the same decision.

Also note:

Middlesex County District Attorney Martha Coakley has been featured in a recent issue of the homosexual newspaper "Bay Windows" trumpeting her support for homosexual "marriage" and the gay political cause. (She is also running for Massachusetts Attorney General -- a good reason to vote for her opponent, Larry Frisoli.)

The Lexington Police, in our experience over the years, have a huge chip on their shoulder against anyone with traditional values; they are quite hostile regarding these issues. So we would be very suspicious of any "investigation" they would undertake, anyway.

The Department of Social Services is being particularly disingenuous. They NEVER wait until anyone who is being investigated files a complaint! Just the opposite -- just about any public official (or anyone) can set them on the warpath with practically no evidence at all!

So what's really happening? It's pretty obvious that the whole thing was a sham --that political arrangements took place beforehand so that when Ash made his bold "announcement" about independent investigations, he knew that they weren't really going to conduct investigations. (That could be a nightmare for Ash, and certainly for the children and parents involved.) It wouldn't surprise us if a certain influential (left-wing) state rep from Lexington was heavily involved. Sleaze de-luxe. What other possible explanation is there?


Boston Globe news article published Tuesday morning, June 20

In this morning's Boston Globe, Paul Ash further twists the truth by stating that "These were two first-graders having a child squabble on a playground" and blames MassResistance for "exploiting these children for political purposes." It begs the question: If it's only that, why did Ash ask the District Attorney to get involved? Why is it being reported in the Boston Globe? The answer: a group of sleazy public officials are doing their best to silence a legitimate outrage.

And as we've said before, these "interviews with the children involved" -- a month after the fact -- are very suspect. What child remembers any of this with any clarity, especially if their parents are very emotional about the incident? Also, young kids very often feel they have a self-interest in pleasing authority figures.
*end of email portion*

*******

All of this does not add up properly and smells of a scheme to "silence the opposition's issue." How apropos...similar to the gay indoctrination technique of the "Day of Silence" that gay activists lead kids into in public schools. Their agenda is absolutely disgusting!

 
At 6/20/2006 9:47 PM, Blogger Jody said...

your summary of events in your last comment... Is what you, Worldnet and a great many more sites are trying to pass off as what happened.

The incident between the two boys has nothing to do with the "moral bankruptcy" of the schools or with a teacher reading a story about gay weddings to second graders.

As far as your child victims rant, I have no idea what you are referring to. I'm fairly certain though it too doesn't support your assertion that a playground scuffle between first graders over cafeteria seating is part of the societal peril you imply.

 
At 6/20/2006 9:58 PM, Blogger Jody said...

All of this does not add up properly and smells of a scheme to "silence the opposition's issue." How apropos...similar to the gay indoctrination technique of the "Day of Silence" that gay activists lead kids into in public schools. Their agenda is absolutely disgusting!
Having been a Child Protective Social Worker for many years, and working with District Attorneys, Police Investigators, and schools, a 24 hour turn around on an incident that's been blown up into a scandal is pretty common. When mayors, city councils, and school officials are being called regularly, the System moves surprisingly fast.
The rest of your post is again, spurious. Its insinuation, and spin, with no measure of evidence provided. What you are suggesting is now a conspiracy between the school system, the DistAtt office, the police department, a surprisingly large number of other public officials, and the Lexington gay community. You are really starting to sound like the paranoid schizophrenics I also worked with. But they had a legitimate excuse for being paranoid. Other than being in support of inflated egos, y'all don't.

 
At 6/20/2006 10:25 PM, Blogger highboy said...

Interesting to hear liberals crying about Christians' "percecution complex." Hypocrisy knows no bounds. And yes, I trust a public school board as far as I can throw their worthless behinds. Public education is a farce, and teaching homosexual-anything against obvious parental protest shows how un-Constitutional the whole DEP is.

"Having been a Child Protective Social Worker for many years"

Government child social workers? Don't get me started. I respect Mark too much to post my thoughts regarding that on his blog.

What is also odd Jody, is your repeated use of the words "lie", and "falsehoods." What links have you posted to support this? I keep seeing Mark and Christine post source after source while you have posted only one, from the LEXINGTON PUBLIC SCHOOL NEWS. Yup, real reliable.

 
At 6/20/2006 10:32 PM, Blogger Mark said...

'On the Wall' and staying 'On the Wall' with Christine and Highboy! God Bless you both! and thank you!

this crap must be stopped & refuted, and I am blessed to be associated with people like you making it happen!

 
At 6/21/2006 12:08 PM, Blogger Jody said...

Highboy:

I keep seeing Mark and Christine post source after source...

No, they keep posting opinion piece after opinion piece. I'd suggest you crack open your high school notes on what constitutes valid sources of research and what is contained in those sources. (Hint: "It's all a conspiracy I tell ya'!!!" isn't valid data nor a valid source.) It'll help you differentiate between opinion and fact.

Umm... you did go to highschool, right?

Government child social workers? Don't get me started....

No, no, please. Go ahead. [Sits and grabs popcorn] This aughtta' be good.

 
At 6/21/2006 12:34 PM, Blogger Mark said...

Thanks jody, go GMU!(wink) I do apologize to you, as I have been on a Two Front battle and mistakenly took you for someone else.

Now from the Boston Globe June 20, 2006.
School officials contacted authorities, who declined to investigate, Ash said.

Parker said he was unconvinced that the fight had nothing to do with the outcry. He said other students have talked to his son about the issue.

Parker was arrested last year when he refused to leave Estabrook Elementary School without a guarantee that his child would not be exposed to teachings about homosexuality. In April, he filed a federal lawsuit over the issue.

Parker said he never filed a police report and doesn't want children to be investigated. ``We don't want to vilify the children," Parker said. ``We do want to get along, even though there's very powerful differences in beliefs."

Brian Camenker , president of MassResistance, said he still believes Parker's son was beaten up because of his father's views. ``The kids have been incited on this," he said. ``There's a lot of anger."

 
At 6/21/2006 2:11 PM, Blogger Jody said...

Parker said he was unconvinced...

Great, he's unconvinced.

Brian Camenker , president of MassResistance, said he still believes...

Great, he still believes the kid was beaten for the father's views.

More from the article you cite:

School officials, citing interviews with the children involved, said the fight actually started over where students would sit in the cafeteria and then spilled onto the playground.

The student, the 7-year-old son of David Parker , who filed a federal lawsuit in April over the teaching of homosexuality in school, was punched several times during the May 17 fight.

``These were two first-graders having a child squabble on a playground," said Superintendent Paul Ash . ``Some adults are exploiting these children for political purposes."

The playground fight ballooned into a School Department inquiry after a Waltham-based parents' group, MassResistance, alleged that a group of children pounced on the boy on the two-year anniversary of the legalization of gay marriage.

According to school officials' investigation, one child hit Parker's son two to four times during recess, and the boy fell to his knees as about five students watched . A teacher's aide intervened. The child who hit Parker's son was sent to the assistant principal's office, where he wrote an apology and was denied recess for two days. Parker's son and the boy have since had a play date, Ash said.

School officials contacted authorities, who declined to investigate, Ash said.


Again Mark, there is no evidence for the claims that you and others make. This was a scuffle between kids that people in pursuit of politics warped into something it wasn't. Passing it off as the truth doesn't make you look very good.

To borrow from the footnote at the end of your blog, "the truth does not cease to exist simply because [you, Brian Camenker, or David Parker] ignore it."

 
At 6/21/2006 4:49 PM, Blogger Mark said...

The concept of using confusion to further a destructive agendas is alive and well. Note how Paul Ash's story about the incident changes a little with each version of the press release. Activists and even high-ranking public officials have no problem at all using these tactics when it suits them.

The "safe schools" mantra is clearly a lie; just another vehicle for pushing an agenda. If this were a child of a "gay" couple, this would be another Matthew Shepherd extravaganza, with wailing, vigils, and diversity training throughout Lexington. If WE had tried to demean such an incident, imagine how the media would portray us? It's all about politics and nothing else

 
At 6/21/2006 5:58 PM, Blogger Jody said...

To review:

Neither you nor your cohorts have provided any evidence that Superintendent Ash is conducting a cover-up.

Neither you nor your cohorts have provided any evidence that the Lexington Police Department is conducting a cover-up.

Neither you nor your cohorts have provided any evidence that the Lexington department of child protective services is conducting a cover-up.

When this is pointed out to you, you obfuscate and evade, claiming conspiracies, alliances, and agendas on the part of officials that aren't in evidence, attempt to shift the subject to other news and cultural issues, or by launching ad homenims against posters as a final, futile effort. At some point, your remarks stop being mistaken and start becoming willfully obtuse and predatorily deceitful.

(Quick note: you are at the "g." )

 
At 6/21/2006 6:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally- some clarity. Jody you rock.

 
At 6/22/2006 12:55 AM, Blogger Mark said...

JODY To review:

Neither you nor your cohorts have provided any evidence that Superintendent Ash is NOT conducting a cover-up.

Neither you nor your cohorts have provided any evidence that the Lexington Police Department is NOT conducting a cover-up.

Neither you nor your cohorts have provided any evidence that the Lexington department of child protective services is NOT conducting a cover-up.

When this is pointed out to you, you obfuscate and evade, claiming NO conspiracies, NO alliances, and NO agendas on the part of officials that HAVE DISMISSED evidence, YOU attempt to shift the subject to other news and cultural issues, or by launching ad homenims COMMENTS against ME & OTHERS as a final, futile effort. At some point, your remarks stop being mistaken and start becoming willfully obtuse and predatorily deceitful PRO-HOMOSEXUAL SUPPORTING CRAZY TALK.

EXACTLY! JODY! THANKS.

 
At 6/22/2006 4:00 AM, Blogger Jody said...

Mark, now you are just being silly.

A gentleman would concede the point that he was mistaken, and not act like a petulant child, figuratively sticking his fingers in his ears, trilling "I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I" in an effort to avoid acknowledging his ignorance.

Alas, you are not a gentleman.

 
At 6/23/2006 10:35 PM, Blogger highboy said...

Actually Jody, he has a point. Whether or not your are honest enough to acknowledge it is your problem, and yours alone. The "opinion pieces" are every bit as valid as the sources you DIDN'T cite. Get the hint?

"No, no, please. Go ahead. [Sits and grabs popcorn] This aughtta' be good."

I'll be happy to entertain you: The government has zero wisdom to have anything to do with child upbringing. Government social workers are a drain on taxpayers money and a waste of skin.

I'm not a gentleman either. I've seen too many families ripped apart needlessly due to moronic social workers.

 
At 6/24/2006 2:31 AM, Blogger Jody said...

Unfortunately, no Highboy, argumentation doesn't work that way -- at least not within the Western Civilization you've argued you are trying to preserve.

Mark linked to folks making suppositions and innuendo, not to anyone with first hand information of what transpired. Issuing a press release about the police department having a "chip on its shoulder" isn't the same thing as providing evidence that they criminally conspired to suppress evidence of several crimes. If you don't understand the difference, I suggest taking a class at your local university's extension program in either rhetoric or evidentiary procedure.

I too have seen many families ripped apart by moronic social workers, moronic lawyers, and moronic judges. I've also seen families saved by smart social workers, dedicated lawyers and insightful judges utilizing skilled therapists and beneficial recovery programs for the betterment of people in crisis. I've also been apart of removing horribly abused children from homes where their life was under threat by particularly vile excuses for parents.

Cops screw up. Soldiers screw up. Firefighters screw up. So do social workers. That's part of life. In balance, we're better for having these people out doing their jobs, than getting all pissy about the world, and the people in it, not being perfect.

So were you entertaining? No. I was hoping for either a unhinged rant or a few choice expletives. Instead, more myopic silliness and vapid pietistical smugness.

 
At 6/24/2006 6:36 PM, Blogger Christinewjc said...

The fact that the father of the boy who was beaten up would know quite a bit more than any of the gay activists and their supporters(who are most likely attempting to downplay this incident and putting their own opinions and spin on what transpired)is proof enough for me to know who to believe. I'm sure that the boy told his father much more than he would have told the school "officials." Just as Brian Camenker mentioned in one of his emails, kids often answer questions in order to please adults in authority roles at the school.

Fear of further intimidation may have played a part in the kids leaving out some of the information that was said regarding (specifically about gay parent activists spewing hate in their homes towards) Parker & his family. It isn't difficult to see that gay activist involvement on the part of parents of children at that school, plus the past anti-Parker hate rallies, hate mail and newspaper articles disparaging Parker & family, could have been a likely cause for incitement in this fight between students at the school.

 
At 6/24/2006 8:50 PM, Blogger Jody said...

Once again, you've offered up opinion and conjecture as proof of your claim, not evidence.

I can just as easily assert that it was Christian parents obsessed with the Parker case that so traumatized the students that they all banded together to beat the Parker child up for all of the disruption he is causing.

It isn't difficult to see that children frequently lash out at those who are causing disruptions in their otherwise peaceful lives and hope that through their own efforts they can make such disruption go away.

My explanation has just as much evidence going for it as yours does (none ), "explains" what happens, and puts meaning to the randomness of life.

What it doesn't do is explain what actually happened. We know happened based on the inquires at the time of the incident.

You are coming dangerously close to baring false witness, Christine.

 
At 6/24/2006 11:05 PM, Blogger Mark said...

JODY To review:

Neither you nor your cohorts have provided any evidence that Superintendent Ash is NOT conducting a cover-up.

Neither you nor your cohorts have provided any evidence that the Lexington Police Department is NOT conducting a cover-up.

Neither you nor your cohorts have provided any evidence that the Lexington department of child protective services is NOT conducting a cover-up.

When this is pointed out to you, you obfuscate and evade, claiming NO conspiracies, NO alliances, and NO agendas on the part of officials that HAVE DISMISSED evidence, YOU attempt to shift the subject to other news and cultural issues, or by launching ad homenims COMMENTS against ME & OTHERS as a final, futile effort. At some point, your remarks stop being mistaken and start becoming willfully obtuse and predatorily deceitful PRO-HOMOSEXUAL SUPPORTING CRAZY TALK.

Christine's and My explanation has just as much evidence going for it as yours does.

You are coming dangerously close to baring false witness, JODY. Not that would you care about such a thing and if you do, why?

You Jody have mastered the literary art of weaving a tapestry of words, sprinkled with half truths, and gently covered them in a heavy sauce of deception as to hide your own inequities and or fear of the truth that confronts you day and night. That Sir Jody, is as transparent as perfect glass to those who recognize thier own inequities and seek a more superior source and guide for their lives and opinions. Might I suggest that path for you.

...since you have conceded that you offer nothing new to this 'explanation' of events, should you not at lest consider my suggestion? or at lest attempt to find a bit more meaning to your earthly life?

No offense, however, I find your 'recipe' for 'truth' to be missing that 'salt' you have ignored, therefore only serving an empty baseless dish that only a prideful fool could enjoy.

 
At 6/25/2006 12:25 AM, Blogger Jody said...

Mark, I think I'm going to have to start charging you rent on my words and phrases. At some point, my dear boy, you're going to have to start using your own.

As for me not providing any evidence that the various groups are not conducting a cover-up, leaving aside how impossible it is to prove a negative, I also don't have to.

Merely asserting something to be true -- as you have done, repeatedly, by saying that there is a conspiracy here -- does not make it true. It's a pretty simple principle, goes all the way back to the founding of Western civilization (you know, what you are allegedly fighting to preserve.)

If you have a problem with this, I suggest you take it up with Aristotle. His "On Sophistical Refutations" was one of the first books to illustrate the concepts our civilization has followed ever since.

If you still don't understand the concept, might I suggest getting accused of a crime in say, Bejing? There, the whole concept of proving an assertion doesn't apply.

As for my witness, I've stated nothing false, misleading or half true. Once again, your claims that I have do not constitute proof that I have. Again, we return to Aristotle and the principles upon which our Western civilization is based.

Lastly, while I'm sure it's comforting to your wounded ego to believe that anyone who points out the cavernous extent of your intellectual deficits is possessed of some deep psychological despair that only your particular blend of magic can mitigate alas, such is not the case here. I suffer from no such trauma. However, your vacuity, both mental and spiritual, remains.

 
At 6/25/2006 7:11 PM, Blogger Mark said...

ROTFLMAO! many thanks Jody! i mean that.

you are indeed a good writer, however the obvious subtleness that most have asked for regarding your offering a new point, continues to escape you. At this point, I am convinced that you really have nothing new to offer and just enjoy reading your own comments. Perhaps for you, it is a temporary emotional 'cure' for that which troubles you. Again, may I suggest you seek a more superior source and guide for your life.

I should remind you, my dear boy, that Aristotle had his doubts. Perhaps the same doubts one like yourself may experience. Those pesty unanswered questions. Seek and you shall find, but only if you seek God first is my free advice. Now you owe me $2.00, cause nothing is free, right?

As far as your opinion of my comments containing nothing but mental and spirtual vacuity, I suggest you re read them. I used YOUR own vacuous words exactly how you presented them...and you want to charge me? :) Nevertheless,
I find your attitude and comments to be nothing short of vituperative.

you now owe me $4.00 dollars.

 
At 6/25/2006 9:16 PM, Blogger Jody said...

Mark, you have a penchant for avoiding the substance of a argument by the endless repetition of opinion proffered as fact. I don't know who that impresses but you'd do well do break yourself of that habit.

The skill of my writing is not the question before us. It's obvious I'm a good writer. I have the degrees, honors,awards and money, to put that question to rest. Thanks for noticing though.

That I also enjoy reading my own comments is again beside the point. Of course I do. As do you. As does anyone else who bothers to commit their vanities to ink or pixels on a page. Blogging is a supreme effort in self-selfsatisfcation, as is made readily apparent here. No points there either.

As for Aristotle's doubts, raising the issue has nothing to do with our topic here. For clarity's sake, he had none regarding rhetoric, the composition of a valid argument, or wild theories that bore no relation to reality. "...[C]redit must be given... to theories only insofar as they are confirmed by the observed facts." [On the Parts of Animals] So no credit for you again.

With regards to using my own comments against me, in order to do that, you would have to have actually made a factual argument. See, altering the pronoun in my paragraphs to support your oft repeated innuendo and ignorance, isn't making an point. Thinking it did? That's vacuous.

So as I add this up, between the fact checking, the keeping you on point, the rhetoric lessons, and the English lessons, at $250 an hour, my professional rate, we're somewhere north of $1000 dollars.

I don't expect you to pay up. Not at all. I mean if a man won't tell the truth, nor even admit he's made a mistake, what hope is there that he'll cover his debts? None.

For me, it's enough that I've called you repeatedly on your, well, lies, and that, despite your very high opinion of yourself, time after time, you've been unable to provide even the mildest of corroboration for your imaginative claims regarding conspiracies. It's actually quite breathtaking the extent of your self-satisfied ignorance.

In other words my dear boy, game, set and match.

 
At 6/29/2006 8:10 PM, Blogger highboy said...

One problem in the logic of your last response to ME Jody: Fireman, police, and soldiers are all Constitutional. That is the goverment's job. Telling parents how to raise their kids is not listed anywhere.

In regards to the actual debate, you haven't proven Mark a liar, but you go ahead and tell yourself "I win! Yay!" Whatever helps you sleep at night honey.

 
At 7/09/2006 3:49 PM, Blogger Mike Airhart said...

David Parker, the antihomosexual parent, admitted to The Boston Globe that the story was false -- his son was beaten over a lunchroom seating dispute, not because of Parker's activism.

It's sad that it took Parker a month to grudgingly agree with the school district's investigation results. And yet the false story is still plastered all over various web sites that didn't check their facts and that aren't correcting their facts now.

 
At 7/10/2006 10:33 PM, Blogger Mark said...

Hi Mike,
Thanks for the 'update'. Unfortunately there is nothing new in your comments and link.

What is 'sad', as you say, is your attempt to redefine the story, the very same story and struggle of the Parker faimily to suit your agenda. Mr. Parker admitted nothing new that has not already been reported.

FACTS:
Teacher tells parents that theme of day was "weddings" and that gay marriage is legal - "I want to present all points of view." NO notice given!

Principal tells parents (1) they cannot opt out (2) there will be no parental notification despite state law and (3) "I will not guarantee that something like this won't happen again".

Pro-gay Superintendent and School Board Chairman tell TV reporters they agree with decision.

Teacher attended GLSEN presentation promoting homosexuality in classroom. David Parker makes statement.

 

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