WAR on Christianity Declared in NY Town!
Major Hat Tip: Fire & Hammer
Read this ! This is an all out war on Christianity!
You won't believe what the Nut Jobs in this New York State town are doing to a private Skating Rink that holds "Christian Skate Times" on Sunday afternoons.
"Skate Time 209 offers residents a new wooden roller skating rink and a fancy skateboard park. In its hunt for customers, the business has "tot" skates and "tween" (ages 6-13) skates. There are family nights and adult disco parties.
And there are "Christian skate times" on Sunday afternoons, Skate Time's ad in the April 19 Ulster County Press said. That ad is evidence of a human rights violation, according to the state Division of Human Rights." (Bold mine)
posted by Mark @ 6/29/2006 03:56:00 PM
35 comments
35 Comments:
Mark:
Let me ask you something - If the advertisement said "Gay Skate Times" wouldn't you automatically assume that it meant the times listed were for gay people? I think it's the same here - the argument is that people might assume that those times were for Christians only.
Was that the intent of the skating rink? NO! Was the State of NY overly intrusive? I think so! Does it mean this is a war on Christians? Sort of a stretch if you ask me. Sounded more like a bored lawyer to me. I've known a few...both right-wing and left-wing. Bored out of their minds. So bored, they'd scan the local one-stop-light-town rag to find any little i not properly dotted. It's stupidity based off of boredom. That's what I gather from this. Stupidity based off of boredom.
Blessings!
j.
j,
yes I would think they were marketing to 'gays'. Would the town have threatend a law suit and called it "evidence of a human rights violation", the answer is an Astounding, No.
Why? because this is one of many examples of Godless Liberals attempting to eradicate the Christian faith from any American forum. That my friend is a "war" on many Christians as well as, the very Foundations this country has been built so strong on.
We all 'might assume'; that's what Godless Liberals with law degrees Bank on, especially if it's anti Christian.
There are plenty of gay clubs by the name alone one 'might assume' it for gays only. Name one law suit please.... or even a threat of such a law suit, or better yet described any where near "evidence of a human rights violation". Come one Man, open your eyes please.
If this were only one example I'd agree with Jonathon. But this is just one more log on an already blazing wildfire. I don't take it personal, its all politically motivated. Christianity means morality, and conservative Republicans almost always take more Biblical view of moral issues. This is just another example of New York liberal idiocy. People fail to realize that a private business can cater to specific groups all they want. I'm opening a Christian-outreach restraunt with my wife as soon as I graduate, and there is nothing the state of PA or the ACLU turds can do about it.
I could be wrong, but it was not a lawyer that made the statement...'evidence of a human rights violation', it was a town official. (?)
Yes, j I did perhaps, a tiny bit Title this post..well to get attention. :) You seem to have a radar for the 'war' on christianity 'myth' and Gay Rights. But the fact is, this is only a drop in the bucket of a campaign to divest Christianity from our future 'America'.., meaning our children's lives and the next generation.
IMO we have been stupidly silent.
We are afraid to speak about Right and Wrong.
We are afraid to be accused of ..'pick a name'
anyways..May God Bless and help us!
No joke! What war? Christians and the history of Christianity in the our country (United States)being assaulted ? Ummm, yes. I believe that for many professing Christians this is a hard issue to be honest with. Let me not rant here. Thanks for stopping by my blog, Mark. I'll be back on yours for sure.
Yea, I covered this too.... I even called Skate 209 and told them personally I supported them and they were getting the shaft! If you notice on their website every other skating rink linked there as one day with a few hrs devoted to spiritual or christian skate time...........
There really is no place a Christian can go where they aren't being assaulted by visions or lyrics of things they find offensive.....(Of course they aen't allowed to say that they have been offended, that is only for the aclu luvers and so called minorities!!! *rolleyes* )
One of our pastors has tv with only the basic 4-5 channels- no cable, they spend their time watching "wholesome Videos" in an effort to protect their kids.........Sad place the world has become.
Mark,
I really do beleive that upwards of 75% of the ACLU wears pink panties. Not so sure about the women in there, though. LOL
boo hoo! Im a Christian yet for some reason I do not feel the same martydom you guys do....could it be perhaps because we currently hold the power in the White house, the Senate, the House of Reps, and now the Supreme court....etc. Do you ever get tired of finding things to whine about? -- And why are you trying to drag the gays into this issue- they have nothing to do with it.
not really, there is just so much material out there.
You don't like it, leave, stop bothering me with your pointless comments.
Oh but there is a point- two actually: 1. you actively choose to be a complaining martyr 2. you are obsessed with gays. Sure there's lots of material out there - virtually anyone on this planet who wants to be a victim can find loads to cry about...
anonymous has Two points: " 1. you actively choose to be a complaining martyr"
lol! 'martyr'? No my friend, just one who speaks and writes about the truth. The truth many 'plastic christians' like yourself, have ignored because it makes you uncomfortable perhaps.
anonymous point # "2. you are obsessed with gays."
'obessed', no my little 'plastic christian'. I am however willing to confront the lies about homosexuality. Perhaps you are obsessed with defending that particular sin becuase you know so little about it. Or perhaps your 'out and proud'? But to say your a Christian in one breath and not be concerned with the lies of accepting sexual sin, makes you nothing more than a 'plastic christian' who thinks because one day way back when, I said "I accept Christ" thinking now I get my 'FREE PASS' to heaven. Seems to me, you may want to do a little more communicating with your Heavenly Father and stop justifying your prideful sinful nature.
Oh, btw, victim I am not. Quite the contrary. I remain a fighter, and when some Godless people try and make Christians into criminals, I'll expose it just as I did here. Unfortunatley, there will be foks like you who wish I wouldn't for a variety of 'plastic' reasons. Either way, it will be done.
Ha - I assume by your bloated, presumption filled speech that you alone have the only correct understanding of God's "truth." Talk about ego and sin! :) Apparently you have your share of both...
"Plastic Christian" is simply a mean-spirited phrase you have conjured up which really means "Christians who dont agree with me."
The point is when you take an incident at a skating rink (what next hot dog stands!) - and label it a "WAR!" and drag in the gays (who have nothing to do with this) -- you are anything but the hero you describe yourself to be...more of a "sour christian" looking to inflate issues that personally bother him....I guess finger pointing is your free-pass to heaven.
No, not really.
The point is, what 'we' value in this country is changing because we are buying into a pack of secular relative Godless rubbish. My mentioning homosexual activists and Godless ACLU supporters was a perfect example of why we are headed in the wrong direction. If the roles were reversed in this post's story, you know good and well there would be a national outrage campaign that the secular press would be more thna happy to exploit. But when it's christians being snubbed, silence.
anonymous, I am not sour, have no unusual ego problem, and definitly not a hero. 'Plastic Christian' means one who belives no action, no real change, no works, are important since Christ already died for my sins. That notion is completley unbiblical and makes a mockery of Christ's atoning blood. If you have bought into that, you should take a closer look at your 'christian' faith. I have and will contniue to do so until the day I die.
I will absolutley call that which is evil, evil! that which is dark, dark! that which is bitter, bitter! You can call that finger pointing if you like, I will still do it.
what's your name and why do you care what I think? :)
FYI: There is only One God and only His Truths. They are not tailored to Fit our sinnful darker sides. If I do that, call me on it. If you are really seeking His truth, you will get it. Otherwise you'll keep believing the Liar that makes you think you are doing God's will. Not much has changed since the Adam and Eve thing, huh?
anonymous: If you have an argument, please make it, otherwise, you are humiliating yourself with your constant ejaculations of idiocy all over the computer screen. It is not a matter of being a Christian "martyr", its a matter of fact. Bringing the gays into it is an obvious illustration of the double standard in this country that even a drunken dwarf could comprehend. Something tells me you are smarter than this and see the connection, but are desperately seeking attention. I suggest you pray to the God you claim you serve and stop attacking your fellow brother simply because you disagree with him. Its interesting that you keep commenting, attacking, and pointing the finger while pounding the pulpit of what a bad Christian he is for finger pointing. Seems to me you have a giant plank that needs removed before come on here and start condeming others. Thanks for coming out.
This skating thing really makes me mad.
The rink switched their night to 'spiritual skating night' - how lame (smacks of 'holiday trees')...the only problem w/spiritual skating night is if it's not 'multicultural enough' for the government then they will probably force the poor rink to play mindless inoffensive new age drivel.
This is not just a Christian issue. Using the skewed reasoning of NY state, the following activities would also be under scrutiny:
Gay Day at the local amusement park
Gay bookstores; women's bookstores; muslim bookstores; christian bookstores (all discourage patronage from those outside the stated interest group)
God help the Boy Scounts
Christian colleges
Afrocentric schools
Chilling!
Oh yes, and 'Gay bars' would certainly have to be turned into 'people bars'.
When Christians are snubbed there is silence? You've got to be kidding- I guess you dont have a tv, radio, newspaper, or browse the internet....Tune into C-span sometime-- Congress is like a Church recital these days.... There are angry Christians like you bitching and moaning loudly all the time about everything... The issue is one of choice and credibility. Some Christians, unlike yourself, actually choose to focus on the POSITIVE aspects of the bible....where you are only concerned with demonizing others and making clearly inflated claims of harm...Poor me!
Does the skate rink have the right to have "Christian" skate time? Im all for it.... Ill be there. But if later in the afternoon they want "Muslim" skate time dont gripe. As for the gays - if you cant see from your other posts that you are clearly obsessed with them you are blind as a bat. Its all you talk about. Clearly God's "Truth" has been tailored to fit your agenda-- a mere pamplet on the ills of gay sex...
Im my bible, however, Jesus doesnt make the same judgements you do-- and actually asks us to love others.... Guess you didnt get that version.
"The issue is one of choice and credibility. Some Christians, unlike yourself, actually choose to focus on the POSITIVE aspects of the bible..."
There are no negative ones there genius.
"Does the skate rink have the right to have "Christian" skate time?"
It sure does, as a privately owned business, all the way through till closing. They can make it exclusively Christian as a privately owned business if we actually follow the Constitution.
"As for the gays - if you cant see from your other posts that you are clearly obsessed with them you are blind as a bat. Its all you talk about. Clearly God's "Truth" has been tailored to fit your agenda-- a mere pamplet on the ills of gay sex..."
God is the one who hates homosexuality, so its really God's agenda, unless you read a totally different Bible than what is actually known as God's Word. Mark has posted quite a few things about gays on his site, but why do you care I wonder?
"Im my bible, however, Jesus doesnt make the same judgements you do"
Yes He does.
" and actually asks us to love others...."
Who has Mark claimed to hate? Back it up big boy, I want a specific quote. Where has he implied it? Remember, speaking against homosexuality is not preaching hate toward others. The Bible makes very clear the wickedness of homosexuality, so who is doing the hating Anonymous? Give a clear example, otherwise, you are bearing false witness.
No I am not kidding!
Angry? not yet.
Bitching? what ever you want to call it.
Will I gripe if I don't like something, Yes. Last I checked we live in a Republic and if my gripes get others on board and we get the votes, I win..you lose! :) Since you watch a lot of C-Span you should know this.
My Bible 'should' be the same as yours, and my Bible says nothing about loving sin, or sitting on your ass and do Nothing when evil is being passed off as good.
Does yours?
Now some Christians like me, Not YOU, focus on BOTH the 'positive' and 'negative'...in your words. I prefer the words 'Good News' and 'Sin'. You want to write some sort of pass for all sin, never saying what is wrong or right, never mentioning repentence, thereby making a mockery of Christ's crucifiction.
In addition, you are angry when one of your 'brothers' or 'sisters' has the nerve to stand up and say this is wrong and why! I choose not to follow Your dark path.
Still confused?, read my post on judging, or better yet, crack open your dusty Bible and read about proper judgement in a christians life.
2nd time: what is your name? and why do you care what I think?
since I don't do any 'high fives'...I extend my clinched fist (he does the same) and I give Highboy a knuckle to knuckle 'ManShake'. lol
you go bro!
Right on! Those are some great unhinged rants guys - very entertaining thanks :) Um High Boy- reread my post - I AGREED that the skate rink should be able to have a "Christian" skate. Im all for it Einstein... They can sell Holy hot dogs too for all I care...
Also, you state God hates homosexuality -where does he state this? (and are you joining forces with Godhatesfags?)
Mark - I choose not to follow your dark path. You ignore about a millions passages in the bible to focus on a debatable few that mention homosexuality....You obsession with gay sex is your AGENDA - not Gods.
"Also, you state God hates homosexuality -where does he state this?"
You never read the seven things God finds detestable? Wow.
" You ignore about a millions passages in the bible to focus on a debatable few that mention homosexuality."
There's no debate about those passages, they are quite clear, unless you think the straight-forward black and white writings of Deuteronomy and the crisp clear teachings of Paul are debatable. Its no debate, just simple Scriptural fact, and those tardo's dumb enough to try and twist it to fit THEIR gay agenda.
"You obsession with gay sex is your AGENDA - not Gods."
You're right. God loves homosexuality. Jesus said each man should have a husband, as opposed to a wife. You truly are brilliant Anonymous.
Ive read Proverbs if that's what your referring to High Boy. I does not state "God Hates Homosexuality" as you put it. (Are you sure you're not part of godhatesfags.com - you sound more and more like them?) Its pretty telling though that you prefer to view God as a being of "hate."
Deuteronomy - are you referring to 23:17? - you've got to be kidding if you think there isnt any theological debate on that...meanwhile Deuteronomy demands we stone to death non-virgins and adulterers - are these things you also promote? Or are you picking and choosing?
Anyway, my point isnt a debate on homosexuality actually. Lets just assume it is a sin - Im pointing out that there are LOTS of sins and countless words of inspiration and faith - yet you and Mark only focus on one thing- day in and day out... It clearly reveals your own underlying agenda and obsessions - which neither of you can explain or even admit.
"You're right. God loves homosexuality. Jesus said each man should have a husband, as opposed to a wife. You truly are brilliant Anonymous."
Um, how does that response explain your obsession with gay sex?
anonymous,
SAYS "Anyway, my point isnt a debate on homosexuality actually. Lets just assume it is a sin - Im pointing out that there are LOTS of sins and countless words of inspiration and faith - yet you and Mark only focus on one thing- day in and day out... It clearly reveals your own underlying agenda and obsessions - which neither of you can explain or even admit."
take a deep breath.
I have 53 Posts
15 deal with Homosexuality and many are from the view point of a FORMER 'gay' and how it relates to God.
Thats 28%. You are right! I am obsessed!
What does the Bible say about our relationship with other Christians who embrace sexual immorality? 1 Corinthians 5:9-11
I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person.
I guess you selectively IGNORE many posts about encouragment. See Post " A Matter of Making One Whole" 6-19-06 for starters!
again, Name??? and why you care???
Anonomous: why don't you please have the courage of your convictions and say who you are, what you believe, and what your point is. It appears that you are the one who is "obsessed" with homosexuality and its condemnation in the Bible. If you are a practicing homosexual, say so. Have respect for the people you are blogging with by being honest and state your case; to do anything less, which you have, is being a coward.
"Thats 28%. You are right! I am obsessed!"
Well, finally, we agree on something! :) Your are right. Considering the bible contains about .001% relating to homosexuality - the amount of time you spend on them is indeed creepy!
Anyway, why do I care? As a Christian I feel it is my job to call that which is evil, evil. That which is dark, dark. And that which is bitter, bitter...
And, sorry, I am not gay. I do, however, care a lot great deal about other more important issues in our society -- ie poverty, crime, adultery, child abuse, murder, hate, bigotry in all forms etc etc etc... Sorry if none of that is as important as your "WAR!" at the skate rink.
.001% WRONG! Sin makes up quite a bit more my little plastic christian friend. Homosexuality just happens to be one of those sins people like you Celebrate and promote..in the name of diversity and love, making you again a pretty worthless christian IMO. Let me know if I am being too harsh ok. I just find your comments at this point worthless.
You made your point, I have made mine...no go spread some plastic joy. :)
Jesus sez:
I didn't die on the cross for this nonsense! Now lets have more cheek turning and less catfighting kiddos!
" Its pretty telling though that you prefer to view God as a being of "hate."
Are you saying that God does NOT hate sin? Can you back that up with some Scripture my friend? There is plenty of Scripture, as has been pointed out, proving that homosexuality is a sin. You have yet to back up your ridiculous claim that it is not.
"Anyway, my point isnt a debate on homosexuality actually"
Right, because you'd lose miserably, much like you're doing now.
"As a Christian I feel it is my job to call that which is evil, evil. That which is dark, dark. And that which is bitter, bitter..."
If that were true you'd agree that homosexuality is the sin that it is.
"more important issues in our society -- ie poverty, crime, adultery, child abuse, murder, hate, bigotry in all forms etc etc etc..."
What are you doing about these things, since they are more important supposedly than homosexuality? Where does it say in the Bible that "God Hates Child Abuse?" By your ridiculous logic, the fact that the Bible does not explicitly say it doesn't make it a sin.
And since you avoided it repeatedly I'll repost my earlier question:
"Who has Mark claimed to hate? Back it up big boy, I want a specific quote. Where has he implied it? Remember, speaking against homosexuality is not preaching hate toward others. The Bible makes very clear the wickedness of homosexuality, so who is doing the hating Anonymous? Give a clear example, otherwise, you are bearing false witness."
".001% wrong! Sin makes up quite a bit more my little plastic christian friend. Homosexuality just happens to be one of those sins that people promote and celebrate."
What you are saying is: while there are only a few lines about about homosexuality in the bible- there is a great deal about sin in general - therefore homosexuality takes up a great deal of the bible. Even a 10 year old can tell you this logic lacks integrity.
When you deliberately use this kind of tactic you are manipulating God's word to promote bigotry. Similarily, when you take something that gets little mention and is under great theological debate and decide it has far greater importance than other sin - ie adultery or murder for example - to the point that it warrants - as you put it - %28 percent of your time - you are again revealing your own agenda - not God's.
It is not a gay issue only. Other Christians have misued the bible to denigrate blacks and women for example.
Regarding your choice to label me a "worthless Christian" - this says volumes more about you than it does me. Personally I believe all of God's children have worth and purpose...including those I disagree with.
anonymous,
'worthless' in the sense you teach others Sin is ok since YOUR worldly experiences take precedent over God's boundaries and directions for our lives. Are you a worthless person? NO. Are your acts worthless? IMO, yes.
Your right, the Bible has been misused, so according to you, lets just use it has a reference book..worthless again!
The only one making a mockery of God's word is you. The only one watering down God's word is you. The only one living for themselves and not God, is you. Common theme..YOU. and it ain't got nothing to do with you, my dear plastic christian obsessed with you.
Thanks for not answering my challenge for the third second time Anonymous. I will now rightly conclude that you are a coward, and have no real argument. Your name suits you.
"Your right, the Bible has been misused, so according to you, lets just use it as a reference book..worthless again!"
NO - according to me: pay some attention to the OTHER sins in the bible-- not just homosexuality - which you cant admit you are obsessed with. As Ive pointed out before, when you spend 28% of your time ranting about one sin (even to the extent of trying to attach it to other topics - ie skaterinks!) you are revealing your personal prejudice and bigotry.
God did not inform you that homosexuality is a greater sin than, for instance, adultery, or any other sin for that matter. Yet your personal agenda and misuse of the bible reveals itself day in and day out...
anonymous,
You have made it clear, YOU are indeed obsessed with protecting homosxuality. Why?
You have also made it clear your opinion of anyone who disagrees with YOU, is a 'bigot' and 'prejudice'.
I am indeed prejudice, I pre-judge every single day and will continue to do so, and so will you. If you would like to use that word in an attempt to make me or anyone else a racist or a bigot, I suggest you first learn its defintion and not re-define the word.
Humm, 'bigot'? I am not, nice try my little 'christian homosexual activist, biblical revisioinist'.
What appears to be 'ranting' and an 'obession' to you, is My response to 'christians' like yourself accepting Carte Blanche some Sins and the acceptance of Biblical Revisionist, like yourself.
As Christians, we are all called to refute such things. You would not know this, probably becuase you only read 'The Bible According to Anonymous".
Lastly, unless your are ignorant of the United State's news, the Federal Marriage Amendment has been a topic of concern for over a year. Those who opposes this, may have something to do with where I chose to pick my topics and address the concerns I have, hence my blog! If that annoys you, get your own blog (website) and refute my opinions.
Otherwise, thanks for your advice on where I should and should not direct my attention and topics on MY blog, I really appreciate it. Sorry it cause you distress.
That distress is exactly why I am pleased! Hopefully next time you make a comment, you will reconsider telling me what I am, and actually make a point using the Bible as back up. eh?
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