Monday, September 25, 2006

False Doctrine Makes False Converts


This from self proclaimed "Neurotic Christian lesbian with ADD/OCD/PMS/SAD/ESP" and author, Deb Pasquella.

The Post is titled: Am I Weak In Faith?
This is part of her response to an email someone sent her.

...I disagree. I feel that homosexuals are born this way. What explains my desire at the age of two years old, to be a boy? Or to have crushes on all my little girlfriends that I played with while growing up? I was attracted to the same sex at a very early age. I was never sexually abused, nor did I come from a broken home--so those statistics go right out the door.

And yes, God NEVER makes mistakes. And being gay is NOT a sickness---we do agree upon that.

Those are my views, my beliefs, what's in my heart, and what ""I"" see to be the "TRUTH". For you, it may be differently, and that's okay. I really appreciate you emailing me with your thoughts and concerns.

God bless!

Warmest regards,
Deb"


When a 'Christian' says truth for each individual is different and God is 'OK' with that, there is a big problem. That is a lie straight from the depths of Hell. Getting God's children to accept false doctrine in the name of love, tolerance, and a little magic forgiveness juice from Jesus...is one of Satan's most successful tools.

Unfortuantely Deb and her Godless crowd eat it up, lickin' fingers and plate. Using Biblical doctrine is not necessary to find Truth? The truth lies in what works for "us".? What a 'nice message'! No wonder so many eat it up... It requires NOTHING from us! What a mockery of Christ's work on the cross.

Deb's philoshophy is absolutely against God's word. Listening to a grown woman justify her sexuality based on her feelings at the age of two, in my opinion is a desperate cry for H E L P !

I wish she would at lest get out her Bible, read it, study it, before making such unbiblical claims.

Spiritual discernment starts with your desire for it. If you seek only to be happy, healthy, and wealthy, you will not be spiritually discerning. You must be humble enough to admit your need to develop discernment. Proverbs 2:2-5 says, "Make your ear attentive to wisdom, incline your heart to understanding; for if you cry for discernment, lift your voice for understanding; if you seek her as silver, and search for her as for hidden treasures; then you will discern the fear of the Lord, and discover the knowledge of God." Are you willing to follow the path that leads to spiritual discernment? John MacArthur


I will leave with this little "PSA": Sex, lies and the pulpit, by DL Foster

(1) You give your life to Christ and make him LORD over your sexuality.

(2) You live a life of sexual abstinence if you are single.

(3) You remain sexually faithful to your husband/wife if married.

(4) You stop supporting the idea that sex is nothing more than an uncontrollable urge.

52 comments:

highboy said...

Mark: I have a troll claiming to be the Messiah on my blog, and he even has blogs of his own dedicated to the "evidence." Talk about false gospels.

The fact is, truth is narrow. When truth seems to go off in a million directions, I'd say it ceases to become truth.

Mark said...

hey bro
I read what the "messiah" wrote. Same old BS in my opinion. He is probably looking to sell some books since his site links to a bunch of books on revelation. We all love a conspiracy theory and we often long to read the lost gospels! :)

Joe Brummer said...

Mark,
Just a thought! How can you expect that people should respect your beliefs about Christ when by this post it is pretty obvious you do not respect theirs?

Deb believes with her heart she is right in her beliefs. You believe you are right in yours. You both cannot be right since your beliefs contradict each other.

Why should you expect anyone to respect what you believe when it is clear you are not willing to give the same in return?

Amber said...

Joe, why are you so worried about beliefs being respected.
Not all beliefs SHOULD be respected.

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Anonymous said...

Debra,

Do you EVER stop advertising yourself?

Really stop to think about it for a moment. You trot all over the internet posting links to YOUR website on other people's blogs, sites, etc.

Many times, your "thoughts" don't have a thing to do with the discussion at hand, you just pop up to promote yourself.

Pride is a terrible thing. If your site had material that is worthy of an audience, they will find you just like you found the places your invading to hustle readers.

Get some humility, pray about your pride issues and stop these cheap bids for attention. This is Mark's blog and he's worked hard to build a readership. Please give him the respect of not using him for your own gain.

The Zar said...

Debra,

Thanks for your great article on your site. I really thought it was an excellent point.
I love reading Mark's articles also.
You bth are nice christians who work well together. Keep up the good work.

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Anonymous said...

Old "habbits" die hard.

Funny how some random person ALWAYS appears out of nowhere at the strangest hours to pay compliments to Debra.

Really sweetie, you need to be a wee bit more clever with your double posts.

Here's a starter hint...don't post within minutes of your first "new admirer" post. It's a dead giveaway each and every time.

Thanks for the chuckle.

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My Brother's Keeper said...

WOW!

That post above is further proof Mark that Debra is bringing a PERSONAL agenda to your blog for her own selfish reasons. To start making THREATS against a person in a very thinly veiled attempt to cover their identity is most certainly NOT the action of a Christian and a "true believer".

To drag you and your blog into what amounts to a personal attack on the charater of someone, to make a threat to "write an article"--although on what only God knows-- shows an extreme disrespect to the work you are doing here and putting you at risk.

Unfortunately, because of that threat, your blog needs to be reported and flagged to be reviewed for content. Sorry, but she leaves no choice when she lays her intentions to try and hurt another using innocent children as pawns as part of a continuing PERSONAL feud...that is sick behavior.

If she wants to post THREATS, she has plenty of her own sites to do such on. It's extremely selfish and thoughtless of her to drag her baggage over here.

God always comes through and exposes darkness. Debra's crusade against homosexuals has little to do with "wanting them saved" and much to do with revenge. This post of hers clearly shows a heart full of unforgiveness and anger, not one that has forgiven and moved on.

We need to pray for her to come out of HER sin, for as she is now, full of spite and bitterness, God can't hear her prayers.

Mark said...

Joe,
You are correct when you say,Deb believes with her heart she is right in her beliefs. You believe you are right in yours. You both cannot be right since your beliefs contradict each other.

This has nothing, to do with respecting each other, it has everything to do with teaching False Doctrine. It also has Nothing to do with one's heart felt beliefs, and Everything to do with God's word. Deb, is choosing to follow a fallen world's path, and not God's word. The Bible is clear on that subject, it is wrong and leads to death.

It is even more egregious that she has made the choice to make a living selling people lies and claiming it to be God's truth!

Mark said...

brothers keeper et.al.

I really I am not interestd in the personal conflicts between past relationships. Debra is welcome to post here. end of story.

For the record: Homosexuality is an Act, not a person. Sin is an Act not a person.

With that said, anyone who willfully Acts against God's laws, and justifies that Act as being Holy and Godly, is outside of God's will and is NOT of God, just as Debra stated. The rest of us will repent of our sins, and thank God for Jesus Christ for paying our due death sentence.

DL Foster said...

I agree wholeheartedly Amber.

Joe Brummer's fatally recurring mistake is to think that all beliefs are equal. Actually, its not our beliefs, but the One we believe in who is superior in all ways. That in turn makes our belief, worship and exaltation of Jesus superior to others. Lest anyone think this is simple religious arrogance, Jesus himself declared that he was THE only way, THE only truth and THE only LIFE. He said that if any person attempts to come to God any other way, except through him that person is a thief and a robber. Other religions hate that about Christianity. But it is the cornerstone our of faith. Jesus is Lord of all and over all.

No, this is not about "respect". Its about truth.

Anonymous said...

Too bad what "Debra stated" and what Debra does are two different things.

This is the reason why so many people have trouble with the loud and proud and often self trumpted "Christians" like Debra.

She can cut/paste "Googled" Bible scriptures (search @ Bible.com is her best friend)like nobody else but she can't put them into practice. The world knows satan can quote scripture, so it's a talent without substance.

When you have someone who loves to be as vocal as she who then brings her petty revenge fights into everything she does, it's not about God's War, it's about Debra's PERSONAL War.

Nobody is suggesting she should not post anywhere she wants. Just keep it honest. When she, or anyone else does not, they hurt us Christians as a group more than 1,000,000 cut/paste scriptures and lil "articles" can fix in the eyes of those we are supposed to be reaching out to in Christ.

Last post on the subject, will turn it over to my Lord to handle.

Mark said...

anonymous,
Since you are a 'christian', go to her in private and correct her using scripture or email her your thoughts.

You two appear to have a history, and I would like this Not to be the place to play tit for tat. :)

Amber said...

Please just ignore anonymous. The person appears to know Debra from the past and id here out of revenge and spite in an attempt to smear her.
Very classless act.

highboy said...

"Just a thought! How can you expect that people should respect your beliefs about Christ when by this post it is pretty obvious you do not respect theirs?"

How about some Biblical support for the idea that anyone should respect the belief of an internet troll that he is the Messiah?

"This is why that 'Deb' sees true Christianity as wrong."

If its true Christianity, how is it wrong?

"Get some humility, pray about your pride issues and stop these cheap bids for attention."

Why don't you get a name, and then question someone else's integrity?

Christinewjc said...

Hi Mark,

Welcome back! Missed you! I have had a few conversations with Deb about her inconsistencies regarding labeling herself a "gay" Christian.

I think that when someone truly examines themselves with the question, "Am I Weak in Faith?" they must confront the fact of the Christian's command to strive for holiness.

Here's a post that discusses this quite well:

The Holiness Habit

Get rid of every filthy habit and all wicked conduct. Submit to God and accept the word that He plants in your hearts.
James 1:21 (GNT)


Recommended Reading
James 1:19-21


Holiness is a habit. It’s much more than that, of course. It’s a characteristic of God himself, displayed perfectly in Christ and imputed to our accounts by grace through faith. But in practical terms, holy living means daily discipline. We form habits, then they form us.

That’s why we must weed out bad habits regularly, just as we weed our yards. An untended garden soon deteriorates into a weed patch, and an untended life does the same. It requires the discipline of the hoe to produce hollyhocks in our fields and holiness in our lives.

In his book How to Say No to a Stubborn Habit, Erwin Lutzer writes: "We are responsible for our own sin—including those sins ‘which so easily beset us.’ The fact that we do something wrong habitually does not relieve us of responsibility. On the contrary, it may make the sin all the worse. So we must take personal responsibility for our own habits and not shrink from calling them sin." (bold mine)

Ask the Lord to help you identify "weeds" in your life, confess them, turn from them, and replace them with holy habits that produce a crop of righteousness.


The Christian must see that bad habits are ultimately spiritual issues.
Erwin Lutzer

Read-Thru-the-Bible
Matthew 27:32 - Mark 1:45

Ubersehen said...

Perhaps an article on what is happening up in Canada, could wake up Americans, before such happens here in the USA.

Bwahahahaha!

Oh, sorry, excuse me, it's just that this remark reminds me of a popular television series that aired back in 2001 called Talking To Americans. A fellow named Rick Mercer came down and interviewed average and prominent American individuals, asking them silly questions that played on their ignorance of topics dealing with Canada. It was quite popular when it aired, and while I thought it was probably not indicative of majority of Americans' knowledge of topics Canadian, some people who really should have known, say, our Prime Minister's name, or the fact that we do, in fact, have VCR technology, came up clueless.

I mention all of this because Debra seems to have gotten it into her head that something is "happening" up here that needs the attention of the American public (as though Canada's record concerning criminal matters was worse than the U.S.). Some sort of ideological plague spreading amongst this population, so drastically different from her own, that's threatening to jump the border and infect the hearts of Presidents, CEOs and little Sally coming home from her piano lesson. I wonder, if it had been possible, would Debra have voted for Jean Poutine in 1997?

Josiah said...
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Josiah said...

"When a 'Christian' says truth for each individual is different and God is 'OK' with that, there is a big problem. That is a lie straight from the depths of Hell. Getting God's children to accept false doctrine in the name of love, tolerance, and a little magic forgiveness juice from Jesus...is one of Satan's most successful tools."

This is what Deb said:
"Those are my views, my beliefs, what's in my heart, and what ""I"" see to be the "TRUTH". For you, it may be differently, and that's okay. I really appreciate you emailing me with your thoughts and concerns."

She's saying she respects your opinion and that it's fine that you disagree with her. Would you rather she called you a heretic and rididculed you? It's not a sin to respect someone's right to believe in something that's different from what you believe.

say it hot said...

"Unfortuantely Deb and her Godless crowd"

That's a broad, sweeping statement of generality if I ever read one.

Sure, there are people who read her blog - yours too, I am sure - that do not believe in God. Most do, however, and if Deb's "crowd" is so Godless, then they certainly wouldn't be coming back for more discussion, would they?

Why must you be so divisive? So judgemental? How can you label people as Godless? You are not without sin either my friend, yet you and your "crowd" are casting stones left and right.

Implying that Deb is anything less than humble proves that you are only reading her blog to gather ammo against gays and lesbians who express their deep faith.

When I read Deb's blog I see that she is a caring, loving soul who has her share of life's challenges. I see a person who is in a constant state of learning about herself and the world around her.

I don't see one ounce of humility anywhere on your one-sided, obstructionist, ignorant,narrow-minded blog. What are you trying to learn? What are you trying to do to make the world a more peaceful place?

Truth is different for each individual. I'm sorry you can't seelove and peace and hope in all of God's children.

We are all His children Mark. You are my brother. You are Deb's brother. Maybe you should celebrate that instead of sabatoging it.

Mark said...

say it hot,
Welcome. Now there is an opinion I can respect, I disagree, but I can respect it. Well said.

I stand corrected, I did indeed make a sweeping statement.

Truth is different for each individual

That is only true if you are not living according to God's word.


I don't see one ounce of humility anywhere on your one-sided, obstructionist, ignorant,narrow-minded blog.

clearing throat, tell me you did not just judge me!

you are too funny! thanks for the visit. I hope you at lest know that the only truth is found in God's word. Please don't rely on Deb's version or mine for that matter. If I didn't care, I wouldn't speak up.

Anonymous said...

Some of your statements towards Debra Pasquella’s book that you’ve made, can be viewed as libelous. As she has mentioned, and you have stated, you have not read her book. You have no right to bash her, or to give her a book review on something you didn’t even read. Remember, you can be liable for a law suit if you give slanderous remarks towards something you haven’t any knowledge on. I'd be careful with your words of hate and words of intolerance. You're a sad human being.

Do you think this is what Jesus would do? I hope not!

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Josiah said...

Why are you expanding one lady's comments that it's fine that you disagree with her, nitpicking it, and making it sound like she said God doesn't care about it?
She was saying that you can disagree and she'll be fine with that, you don't have to take that and use it as a weapon to smear into her face.

Joe Brummer said...

DL Says:No, this is not about "respect". Its about truth.

Joe replies: Isn't that how most of the wars start? Isn't that what fundementalist Islam would say?

Nope DL, it is about respect. It is all about respect. Read your bible my man, it is all about respect.

Oh wait, don't listen to me, I am not of god. (smiling)

Debra should learn that we are all of god. Even the gay ones.

The Zar said...

I dont read books written by gays promoting their perversion as love & tolerance. Deb P. book is garbage and she is a false teacher.

Amber Alert said...

amber says:

"Please just ignore anonymous.
...id here out of revenge and spite in an attempt to smear her.
Very classless act."

So, Amber,

Care to describe what Debra's threat to "write an article" about an anonymous Canadian man is?

Would that be "classless" too? Exactly who is attacking or threatening to attack whom??

Pot/Kettle dear.

To "anonymous", you hit the nail on the head. If you want to maintain a level of credibility and dignity as a teacher or witness to "the lost", then you need to condut yourself in such a manner as to be worthy of such a responsibility and title. Jumping into the mud and offering tit for tat makes this person different how? There is no difference and there is no Jesus only a huge display of self. When an abundance of pride is the issue, the answer is not to display more of it

Christinewjc said...

Both Mark and Deb are claiming that they are Christians. God's Word tells us that Christians are not to be conformed to this world. Which of the two is currently following a more worldly, pagan view of homosexual behavior and which one of the two is following the Biblical worldview provided by God through what is revealed about the condemnation of homosexual behavior?

Think about it.

Someone in this thread mentioned that as Christian believers, they cannot possibly both be correct on the issue of homosexual behavior. One has to be incorrect. So we must evaluate, unbiasedly, which one is correct according to what God's Word tells us; not what man would have us believe on this issue.

Let's look at it this way. If one of America's biggest paganistic, atheistic/agnostic/skeptic gay activists (e.g. Wayne Besen) were to come to this blog, whose view on homosexuality would his beliefs most likely line up with?

Deb's or Marks?

Easy answer.

His beliefs regarding homosexual behavior would more likely match up with Deb's. Why? Because Deb has fallen into the carnal Christian worldview that "gay behavior is O.K." with man and God.

Yet, what does Scripture say? We are not to follow in such worldly views.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

We are to be transformed by the renewing of your mind. If Deb were to genuinely examine her current "conformed to this world" views about homosexual behavior acceptance, against what God's Word actually says about the condemnation of homosexual behavior as sin, then she would have to admit that homosexual behavior (especially for the Christian believer!) cannot possibly be seen as the "good, acceptable, and perfect will of God."

Apron said...

Christine, not only do they promote Homosexuality, they think Jesus is pro porn and pro abortion.
That is as lost as any human being can be.

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The Zar said...

Do you notice the manipulating tactics that heathens use against christians?

Amber Alert and Anonymous said..... To "anonymous", you hit the nail on the head. If you want to maintain a level of credibility and dignity as a teacher or witness to "the lost", then you need to condut yourself in such a manner as to be worthy of such a responsibility and title.

....... This is a manipulation tactic by the Godless stating that christians need to be perfect before they can state God's word, and if they arent perfect, being gay is ok and we dont have to listen to all these christians because not one of them is perfect.

Anonymous said...

The Zar said:

"....... This is a manipulation tactic by the Godless stating that christians need to be perfect before they can state God's word, and if they arent perfect, being gay is ok and we dont have to listen to all these christians because not one of them is perfect."

Question: Where did "Amber Alert" mention anything about gays?

Nice red herring to divert issue, but you failed miserably.

Back to the issue which is when someone is appointing themselves to be a Christian yet demonstrates behavior IDENTICAL to those they label as "heathens" (ALL sinners), how do they show themselves to be "not of this world"?

Answer: They don't. Nobody expects Christians to be perfect, just HONEST.

Try and get your minds off gays for two minutes and look at the real enemy, satan. He glories in these disputes and is the only one who wins when all you can come up with to answer is personal invective and kindergarten level "butt" comments.

Mark said...

anonymous, says..
I'd be careful with your words of hate and words of intolerance. You're a sad human being.

Your a fart in the wind!

Do you think this is what Jesus would do? I hope not!

I am not interested in what Jesus would do you swine's ass! I care about what he Did do. Now sue me you little terd!


Amer,
nice speech dear. Now tell me, do you attempt to obey only parts or all of what Jesus taught?

Christine,
Well said sis! Thanks!

Anonymous said...

"Your a fart in the wind!"


"I am not interested in what Jesus would do you swine's ass! I care about what he Did do. Now sue me you little terd!"

What a classy guy you seem to be, Mark. What Christian would respond such as you did? Would JESUS?

WWJD? Do you even know what those letters stand for you pseudo Christian?

No, you probably don't. You don't care what JESUS does now, which is important. What Jesus did in the past was important just as His present.

Let me educate you a bit.

*Jesus accepted those who were different.

*Jesus hung out with everyone --including sinners. This meant, tax collectors, prostitutes, theives, etc.

*Jesus died for all of us on the cross so that all of us "who believed" would be saved by the blood of Christ.

*Jesus would be crying to see you acting in such a hateful way.



Repent, and give up your hateful, sinful self. Treat those of which YOU would want to be treated.

Karma come to those who least expect it.

Keep it up.

Anonymous said...

It shows that you DON'T believe, since you don't believe Jesus lives in the present.

Now's who's the Christian here???

HAHA!!!

Mark said...

Karma come to those who least expect it.

"karma"?? and you call yourself a follower of Christ? No, I think I had you pegged right the first time..a swine's ass!


It shows that you DON'T believe, since you don't believe Jesus lives in the present.

Now's who's the Christian here???

HAHA!!!


Yeh, ok. Thanks for coming out, so to speak.

Anonymous said...

Your lack of eloquent speech and ignorance is probably the reason why you don’t have many readers on this site. Not fit for a Christian, is it now?

I would never trust anything you say, especially the kind of imature language that spews forth on this blog and in your comment section.

Please, delete your blog. Do us all a favor!

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highboy said...

"Your lack of eloquent speech and ignorance"

This from a guy whose best argument is:

"Now's who's the Christian here???

HAHA!!!"

Well, I can tell you a true Christian doesn't talk about karma as if it was something to be spoken of as truth, that's for damn sure.

Do yourself a favor and find a girl, or watch porn or something. True, lust is a sin, but if your smacking it your not on a blog embarassing yourself AND the name of Christ by talking out of the side of your mouth. You should be reduced to soilent green before you infect someone.

And please don't get mad at guys like Mark for letting Deb post on their site. You may disagree with Deb (as I do) but as you're frothing at the mouth as to how un-Christian everyone is, YOU are the one adamantly attacking everyone. Take the big-ass redwood out of your own eye, and then worry about someone else's speck. Don't worry about Deb or Mark. You have your own ass to worry about. Pardon the pun.

DL Foster said...

Hey Mark,
these fake-a-holic "christian" idiot anonymous no bodies would probably be the ones standing close together (hand to mouths) whispering as John the Baptist preached

"ooooo he is sooooo uncivilized..."
"Just listen at him call people bad names"

If you were "nice" Mark they would still criticize you. Moral of this story: to hell with people.

highboy said...

"Their pervasive attitude of 'do as I say but not as I do' in threatening, name calling, damning to hell and worst of all blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."

That's a grave charge. Maybe you can show me a specific statement that the BIBLE would validate as blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Sure hope you get that right...for your sake.

"Their pervasive attitude of 'do as I say but not as I do' in threatening,"

Point to a threat that was made by the Christians on this blog. If not, you are a liar and a false witness.

"name calling"

Who was it that said "You brood of vipers"? Wasn't that Jesus?

"damning to hell"

If you read your Bible you'd know that its not any Christian here damning to Hell but the positions and choices of others.

"demonstrates beautifully how lost he really is."

Interesting that after all of Christ's warnings against judging others you'd judge Mark's Christianity based on one statement over the internet that you'd have to play word salad with to see the problem. Very interesting indeed.

"To admit he has no interest in conducting himself as Jesus would is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit he claims to have living in his heart."

Please give the book, chapter, and verse in the Bible where blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is described the way you have above.

Mark, did you get my email about the new site? Just checking, some of my emails didn't go through.

Shelly said...

I have enjoyed reading this blog, especially the spiritually inspiring posts from DebraJMsmith, Mark, Highboy, and christine.

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Cheetarah1980 said...

I was up late reading the exchange between you and Deb on her blog. While I understand your frustration at the worldly view of God that many Christians espouse, do you think you're approach is loving? Christ loved us even while we were in sin, and if we're trying to be Christ-like shouldn't we love others the same way. Loving does not mean condoning or saying it's alright. But when people are being condemned to hell it's a tad bit hard to see the love in that. The basis of all of God's commands is love. Love for God, and love for others. I don't believe in compromising God's word because I do believe that He is unchanging. What applied in Genesis thru Deuteronomy thousands of years ago still applies today. But people won't see that if you don't truly love them first. Christ was a servant. His disciples were a motley crew of sinners. If he could love them, then I think you can love gays/liars/cheaters/liberals/whoever pissed you off today.

Mark said...

Thanks DL!

cheetarah980,
But when people are being condemned to hell it's a tad bit hard to see the love in that.

I have not condemned anyone to hell. That seems to be the assumption when I say something is wrong. There is a difference.

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Mark said...

apparently Debra's comments were not her own either. I have deleted at her request. google suxs!

Cheetarah1980 said...

I just saw that the comments you made on Deb's blogs were fake. I assumed you were condemning folks to hell because you've got an imposter under your name who's doing just that. And I see you deleted the not so nice comment about my BCBG dress. Thank you much. I think I may have gotten you all wrong.

Josiah said...

Christine, that doesn't make much sense. Are you saying because someone that isn't religous agress with someone who is, that that is a bad thing? You could apply that to anything, say, taxes. If an aetheist agrees with you that taxes should be lowered does that mean you should be wrong. And according to last years presidential polls (which, thank God, have changed quite a bit) the church has made it's own spot in "the world", and I'm not talking about the liberal ones.

"Christine, not only do they promote Homosexuality, they think Jesus is pro porn and pro abortion.
That is as lost as any human being can be."
Who the HELL said Jesus was pro-porn?