Tuesday, September 12, 2006

NY's Gay Bath Houses: An educational experience

Source: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:42am ET

..."In a bathhouse you meet a person in the flesh in a relatively safe and clean environment where everyone has the same agenda," said Bill Stackhouse, director of the Institute for Gay Men's Health at the Gay Men's Health Crisis, a group that fights AIDS in New York City.

"It's safer than the Internet, where all you have is a photo and maybe some video footage before you go to someone's home," he said.

There was a time before AIDS when the baths were more integrated into the gay male community," Stackhouse said. "Now they're looked upon as some last resort thing that you do privately and don't talk to your friends about."

Despite popular notions that the clubs are havens for illicit drug use and the spread of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases, they are also a place where a captive audience can be taught about safe sex, activists say.

"At least bathhouses are public and a place where you can educate people about disease prevention," said John Riley, of the New York chapter of ACT UP, an AIDS activist group.

"You can't get to them in other places," he said, referring to private sex parties and hooking up online, which have flourished, partly due to the lack of bathhouses.

Volunteers from GMHC visit the clubs twice monthly and hand out condoms and brochures on safe sex, said Mark Kornegay, a GMHC community health specialist.

...However, Peter said that he has encountered many men at the bathhouses who would rather not use protection.

Unprotected sex "seems to be coming back into vogue," he said. "There's a lot of advertising for it in the magazines and demand for it in the personals. I don't know why you'd put your life on the line."

This reminds me of Youth Center in Richmond, VA that was suppose to "help" kids at risk. The way the kids received help? The caring and concerned Adult Activists running the center took children (teenagers) to the "hottest gay clubs in Richmond" and helped teach strange Men how to properly use condoms. All in the name of "safe sex". Great work. eh?

If I am the only one who recognizes the predatory nature of this Beast, may God help us all!

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

Also the gay center in New York City has allows gay's to hook up very quickly.

Also most Gay Centers like the one in DC, San Francisco and New York
have Leather and S/M GROUPS
which advertise sex clubs.

I think a christian group should
start going into these places
and take pictures this must be
a health conscern.

I have sent 6 of these sex clubs
to Americans for Truth, to investigate at some point.

Children are being exposed,
there needs also to be a law
stating that any child who goes to gay group must get parent notificatin, if not that group can be sued.

Every year gay groups pass these dracoinan laws, if there is one law that would put a stop to this, would be a parental notificaton to gay youth centers putting them on notice, that if youre child enters to call you!!

Mark said...

Great points! In addition major companies and public tax dollars go towards supporting these gay groups. Parental notification has always been fought tooth and nail by these groups. It's outrageous!

NG said...

Also the gay center in New York City has allows gay's to hook up very quickly.

That's why it's called a gay center.

By the way, some who "hook up" include gay christian conservatives, but I suppose you were too distracted by the leather clad males and the S&Mers to notice.

Also most Gay Centers like the one in DC, San Francisco and New York
have Leather and S/M GROUPS
which advertise sex clubs.
Not speaking on behalf of the center located here in NYC, but the club is indeed open to all, including the leather and s/m guys and gals.



I think a christian group should
start going into these places
and take pictures this must be
a health conscern.


Concern, not concern. There are quite a few christian groups who meet there each week or month, depending on room availability.

I have sent 6 of these sex clubs
to Americans for Truth, to investigate at some point.


What do you suppose Americans for Truth intends to do about what, or perhaps it's just a ploy for Peter to meet more guys.

Children are being exposed,
there needs also to be a law
stating that any child who goes to gay group must get parent notificatin, if not that group can be sued.


I've seen gay teens come to the center, no "children"; And yes, the teens are supervised to ensure nothing illicit is going on.

Every year gay groups pass these dracoinan laws, if there is one law that would put a stop to this, would be a parental notificaton to gay youth centers putting them on notice, that if youre child enters to call you!!

Gays pass laws? Wow that's news to me...I guess that means I'll be headed to Albany tomorrow and pass a new law that states right wing christian jihadist bloggers as being enemies of the state. That or place an ordinance calling for fines every time a Mark and or a DL Foster blasphemes God.

highboy said...

"I guess that means I'll be headed to Albany tomorrow and pass a new law that states right wing christian jihadist bloggers as being enemies of the state."

You would.

jas said...

better close down all 20,000 bars in the United States. from what i have heard, there are people who go to these "bars", and drink beer and liquor in hopes to find someone else there who wants to go home and have sex for the night.

apparently, this devious act of going to bars and having sex with anonymous people goes on a lot. i would bet over 1 million one-night-stands happen in a year, just in the U.S. who knows how much of it isnt protected.

i think these "bath houses" are just the tip of the iceberg. we need to check out these "bars". i mean, did you guys even know about this?...

Mark said...

ng,
Concern, not concern.

what you ment to spell correctly is consern you dumb ass! If your going to correct spelling here, do it Right! or at lest take your hand off your penis long enough so you can cut and paste correctly.

I've seen gay teens come to the center, no "children"; And yes, the teens are supervised to ensure nothing illicit is going on.

You want us to take your observations as legitimate when you can't even cut and paste with your hand on your dick? I don't think so.. Don't you you have some out and proud homosexual business to take care of....like cleaning your dirty ass out with a big bar of Ivory?


jas,
apparently, this devious act of going to bars and having sex with anonymous people goes on a lot

Yes it does! It should be even more egregious when it's held up by those very people as an educational event.

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Josiah said...

Wow, Mark, and I thought you were rude to ME! You're seriously starting to consider you right up there with Dani on making blatant, personal attacks that have nothing to do with the event at hand!

You know, Mark, while the center doesn't provide teens to have parental consent, to visit a "field trip" like that described would need permission, or they'd get sued to the high heavens. I seriously don't believe the comments of the person on DL's blog. You know, if it actually happened, he should report it to the police and press. Without it, it just sounds like a really malicious piece of slander.

I know I said I wouldn't comment here, but you guys can tick me off so much sometimes, I'm probably still going to react every now and again. >.>

Anonymous said...

Joseph how old are you?

Have you ever been to and S/M
Party?

Also gay bloggers are also rude,
so do not play "you are not being nice card" go to Wayne's blog
and conservatives are laughed at everyday!

Where is youre outrage when gay bloggers attack ex gays Joe??

Mark said...

Wow, Mark, and I thought you were rude to ME!

See! I have been very nice to you. 'NG' must be spoken to in a language he understands.

NG said...

Being curious, I decided to look up the word, and guess what? consern, as Mark suggests doesn't exist.

Rather than waste a post here, I'll save it for elsewhere.

Mark said...

gee thanks ng.
lets try and not make ourselves look smart by correcting each others spelling errors.

highboy said...

What the hell is the point of these pro-queer, left-wing nuts posting on this thread? If the best you can do is point out spelling errors than please go back to your hole. If you want to be a pillow-biter, by all means, go ahead.

Bars, by the way, are not designed with the specific purpose of looking for a jar of peanut butter to dip your spoon in, so comparing them is rather ridiculous.

NG said...

Actually, the point of my occasionally being here is to remind you that I consider you to be a disgrace to both christians and conservatives. Nonetheless, keep representating yourselves as being moral absolutes, or assuming the Bible justifies your scapegoating others for your personal foibles. And keep aligning yourselves with bigots and xenophobes.

Please, do us all a favor and drink the special kool aid mix; the sooner you people leave this Earth and become subservient to whatever it is that you pray to, the better for us all.

Mark said...

ng,
you wishing me dead?

and I should consider what you think is of value? Your false accusations that are pulled out of thin air are getting old. Do your self a favor, get a hobby that does not include making an ass of yourself here.

Josiah said...

Mark, the first comment by NG (the first one, remember) did not warrant that reply you made, and while the time you insulted me was milder, it was still rude and quite hateful. It's like saying that that guy who broke that ice skater's kneecaps so the other girl could go to the Olympics is probably a bit nicer then Osama bin Laden. Just because one is less rude than the other, doesn't mean it was kind.

While I don't always fully support Wayne, anonymous, Wayne never childishly drew Hitler moustaches on his opposition's faces. Also, I don't really see him make personal attack on his commenters either. He just got tired of replying, and deletes the ones who disagrees with him. Which is fine, he can do as he likes. Joe, on the other hand, has always answered comments with patience and complete politeness. Mark is fine to make blunt insults all he likes, but he should not be surprised to get a large backlash.

Also, anonymous, I haven't been to any S&M parties....gay or straight. As a matter of fact, I'm betting the majority of neither orientation goes to S&M parties.

Highboy, obviously you have not been to a bar for a while. Or a club for that matter. I'm sorry to say that a large amount of straight men just go there so they can promiscously hook up with a girl. Which is why most clubs often let girls in for free. You seem to be under this wierd idea, also, that all gay men go to gay bars and the like. There seems to be this strange ignorance that there are actually gay men, who live together, in a commited relationship, that don't go out to party all night.

jas said...

highboy said Bars, by the way, are not designed with the specific purpose of looking for a jar of peanut butter to dip your spoon in, so comparing them is rather ridiculous.

i would like to call shenanigans on this statement. i believe, on any given night, you can find about 300 bars in any/every state that is running some kind of "ladies special", where ladies drink free or get in free or whatever.

what, do you think they do this to simply attract more women customers?

it is not ridiculous. there are more straight people who go out every night to look for a piece of ass at a bar than the entire gay population. bars are designed to provide a place to drink, but every bar owner/manager knows that a byproduct of having a bar is knowing that lots of sex is gonna occur in thanks to the alcohol being served.

as far as an "educational trip" to a "bath house", i agree. 'tis no place for kids on a field trip.

cleanie said...

Im very shocked at the bath house thing. There is a website for gays that lists all the best public parks and campground showers that are the best places to meet.
If I was camping, I would rather come across Bigfoot than to walk to the shower and see two men ramming each other's anus.

highboy said...

Jas and Josiah: Apparently you didn't understand my post, so I'll take away the metaphor: Bars are not specially designed for the purpose of a man finding as ass to put his dick in, unless it be a gay bar, which is where it should stay.

Mark: These little kids that keep posting on your site, like NG for example, should need an adult pass/id check before you let them in.

Josiah said...

Your correct, Highboy, they shouldn't. But they are for gay AND straight men (well, straight men put it somewhere else, but you get the idea). I'm sure, in the same sense, you would find gay men at that bar that are totally disinterested in finding someone to have sex with that night.

Cleanie, may I ask you why you were on a gay site? Particularly what sounds like a gay sex site? Just asking.

As for the PDA thing, well, I can't say I'm defending people who do that, but I can assure you the majority of gay people have enough sense to realize it's probably not a good idea to go out having sex where somebody could see you.

Cleanie said...

In reference to the person who suggested that homophobes should drink special koolaide and rid themselves from this earth,
this is an example of people who consider themselvles to be tolerant but really arent tolerant at all.
I used to be a liberal non christian, now Im a conservative christian. Ive been on both sides and see how both sides behave. In my opinion, IRONICALLY, the liberal side is actually more INTOLERANT.
I realize they wont understand where I am coming from because I didnt believe I was intolerant as a liberal, I thought I was justified to mock christians because liberals are intelllctually superior and fundies are just blind ignorant bigoted bible followers who refuse to think.
After 9 years in a christian chat room and lots of thought about social issies, I realized that I was so wrong.
Granted, christians do have their own biases, but Liberals are far more intolerant and rude. (in general)

Josiah said...

I've been on both sides as well cleanie, unfortunately, I'd have to disagree with you on the idea that liberals are more intolerant. Quite the opposite. I find many conservative Christians find it fine to mock gay people and people with liberal sensibilities because they think they have God on their side and we're just godless bookworms who are too obsessed with being intelectual jerks.

Josiah said...

oh, or horrible liberal activists who want to silence everyone else. or people who whine too much about anything america disagrrees with other countries on. we have ALOT of negative sterotypes......conservatives have like......two.......the religious nuts and the greedy snobs.

Cleanie said...

Joshia,
I will give you an example. There is a homosexual man in the main AOL christian chat room that makes it his life to try to get christian conservatives from that room kicked off AOL. Ironicly, he mocks christians, and he has been the worst offender in the room by attacking people's children, mocking the death of loved ones, and so on.
He is most intolerant has has the most ridicoulous double standards.

highboy said...

"I find many conservative Christians find it fine to mock gay people and people with liberal sensibilities because they think they have God on their side and we're just godless bookworms who are too obsessed with being intelectual jerks."

You were bang on about our stance right up until "bookworms" and "intellectual jerks." I haven't met any liberal activists who I would consider an "intellect." Christian conservatives are not suppose to be tolerant, nor do we claim to be. That is the difference.

Mark said...

I've never met a Godless Liberal that has any, and I mean any interest in "intellect" or worms. That would make them anglers, and that they ain't!

Cleanie said...

Highboy and Joshia,

Ok, lets for argument sake say that both liberals and conservative christians are intolerant, which of these groups claims to be so tolerant but doesnt live up to it?
Christians dont even claim to be to be overly to,erant, they call sin a sin; yet christians are as tolerant, or more tolerant than liberals.

Cleanie said...

Since "we" (e.g., whites, Westerners, Christians, men, conservatives, Americans, the U.S. armed forces, Republicans, and heterosexuals) constitute an allegedly dominant group in society and are better off than the "Other" (e.g., nonwhites, non-Westerners, Moslems, women, liberals, immigrants, enemy combatants, Democrats, and homosexuals), our superior position violates the imperative of equality. In order for the desired state of equality to be attained, we, the unfairly dominant group, must be condemned, excluded, and dragged down, while the Other must be celebrated, included, and raised up. In short, in the name of equality, society is divided into two radically distinct groups, to which radically different rules apply.
Liberals treat gays as if they are celebrities, and anyone who disagree's with this is labeled a bigot.
This is extreme intolerance from liberals.

jas said...

highboy, if you met me in person, i am confident that you wouldnt think of me as some "kid."

screw you. ive paid my dues. i graduated college. i work. i have a family. i have just as much right as you to put my two cents in. im not a kid, and dont refer to me as one, please. i dont refer to you as an old, dried up, impotent dingleberry, so lets be courteous.

granted, bars are not places designed for people to go have sex, but everyone knows it takes place, so why not be outraged about it. you know people do it, so why not get your panties in a wad about people going to bars to hook up?

and i can bet that a noticeable percent of women who go home with guys end up with something in their ass, but so what. its theirs.

why do people worry so much about other peoples' butts?

Josiah said...

Cleanie, conservaatives DO, in a way, claim they are tolerant. They claim they "love", for instance, of gay people. yeaaaaaaah.............i don't see too much of that, now do we? and how different is that from claiming tolerance?

Wow, so western, straight caucasian males are discriminated against? Since when? They make up most of the workforce, and not necesarilly because they are better workers. It's ike saying their shouldn't be any effort to bring minorities with lower grades in just because of their minority status, but it is certianly an area to consider. Straight white males aren't going to find any discrimination. As for the east-west thing, you do know like all the "west" people are in California, don't you? Yes, there's some in Texas, but about 15 million more live in California. And California is fairly left-leaning, is it not? I have to say westerners aren't being discriminated against at all. So is Washington. Oregon is a very moderate state. Nevada is liberal. The only really conservative one is Texas, and even then, Austin is one of the most liberal cities in America. There's really no use in noting that you're western anymore anymore, because of things such as the internet, America is more connected now then ever. The only people who care what coast you live on are stupid gangster rap groups. If your refering to who's opinions are liberal, you either want to go to the South or Middle. generally, these states don't have nearly as many people. they just have alot of states.

I don't know what the hell you mean by saying people are being forced to "celebrate" gay people. Since when Marriage laws have nothing to do with opinion, you can still say it's a sin all you like.

Mark and cleanie, you seem to forget the forget the fact that the majority of professors and the scientific community are generally liberal, as many feel conservatives are not sympathetic to their studies.

Oh, and we'll check the polls coming up: I can assure you, the majority of the people these days do not consider themselves Republican. Or conservative. Most consider themselves moderates, with mixed decisions, and many are so fed up with the current administration that most likely the democrats will become the new majority party, if not coming this year, then 2 years from now.

Also, I don't see what the fact that your the majority has to constitute with opinn on that scale, even if what you claimed was the majority was true (it's not, as I have shown via geography and political reasoning), that doesn't mean everything you say goes. What does your opinion have to do with a legal institution of marriage, which isn't even connected to religious marriage anymore. I don't see why a man can't gain equal protections with his partner because Joe in Oklahoma, who doesn't even know any gay people in the first place, thinks its gross and wrong.

cleanie said...

Joshia said:: Cleanie, conservatives DO, in a way, claim they are tolerant. They claim they "love", for instance, of gay people. yeaaaaaaah.............i don't see too much of that, now do we? and how different is that from claiming tolerance?

Cleanie Responds::: Joshia, that is because you must equate love= tolerance.
The definition of love includes far more that tolerance, and we shouldnt tolerate all things. We dont have to tolerate changing marriage which is the holy matrimony between a man and woman.
Do liberals tolerate polygamy? Do they endorse the mormon fringe polygamy as a form of tolerance?

Josiah said...

I'm sorry to tell you, cleanie, that in legal terms, the matrimony of man and woman isn't considered sacred. It's totaly different from the religious form of marriage. Heck, I don't even see why the legal papers call it "marriage" in the first place, though that was probably just because of social norms.

Cleanie, polygamy and two gay men marrying are totally different. A man's need for protection in regards to him and his spouse is met. They can live happy and productive lives. Gay men currently don't have that option except in Massachuttets. This is different than a guy reciving protection for his spouse, and then deliberately go out to find some more girls to marry. Also, I've never seen any studies that have shown evidence that polygamy is probably biological.

Cleanie said...

Joshia says:: I've never seen any studies that have shown evidence that polygamy is probably biological.

Cleanie says:: Joshia joshia Joshia, heterosexual men have the biological urge to have sex with every attractive woman that they see. This fits into the polygamy idea. Yes, its very biological but christians still call it a CHOICE because everything we do in life is a CHOICE whether we have the biological urge or not.

Anonymous said...

OK, Cleanie is an unemployed welfare scammer and a known wife beater who currently lives in his parents' basement. Filter all of his "moral" viewpoints through that fact. Judging by the fucking moronic posts on this thread, he seems to have found a perfect home and friends now that he is no longer welcome on AOL.

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highboy said...

"screw you"

No thanks.

"ive paid my dues. i graduated college. i work. i have a family."

I don't care.

"im not a kid, and dont refer to me as one, please. i dont refer to you as an old, dried up, impotent dingleberry, so lets be courteous."

I didn't refer to you as a kid dipshit, (now I'm refering to you as a dipshit) nor was my remark directed at you at all, but rather at the turds who keep playing blog-tag with Mark about "he said you said." And calling me or old or dried up would be laughable.

"Also, I've never seen any studies that have shown evidence that polygamy is probably biological."

You haven't seen any that gays are either.

Josiah said...

Highboy, if you haven't seen the studies about homosexuality being biological, then may I pont you to the Bailey, Dune, and Martin studies of 2000, Kender, also of 2000, the Levay studies in 1991 and 1996, and one of the most interesting ones, Berenbaum abnd Snyder of 1995, which showed very proising research that suggested that sexuality can be determined through secretions in the mother's womb during pre-natal birth. These secretions happen to many unborn children, but it's only going to have an affect if it's released at certian, critical times, most likely during development on certian areas of the brain, so it would also would affect brain structure. This would also explain why only 50% of twins with a gay brother or sister have the other twin identifing as gay as well. Of course, scientists do not understand the brain enough to test these differences, but the study has held up so far to all scientific arguments. Lesbians wouldn't have the same effects, so they are a bit tougher to pin down, however the Meyer-Bahlburg study shows that women with unusually high adrenilane responses birth lesbians much more often than women without them. Also, the drug DES, which was used at one time to prevent miscarriages for mothers, brought unusualy high androgen levels into the womb, which also increased, ultimately, the chances of the unborn girl being a lesbian when she became older. The Bem studies of 1995 and 1996 suggest that enviroment may have a part on in influencing sexuality, but not in a complete sense, more likely, it influences sexuality to a certian point on an already set range. So, yes, Highboy, I HAVE since studies that have shown evidence of homosexuality being biological.

Heterosexual men have a desire to have sex with every attractive female they see? Wow, I'm glad you don't speak for all hetersosexual men, since obviously not all of them think about females in such an....awkward....manner. Seriously, I see some males I find to be very physically attractive, but I don't think about having sex with all of them. That, and the urges you described would be more described as promiscuity than polygamy.

highboy said...

Josiah: I want the studies. You cite them, you provide them. And just for the record, if there are such studies, then there will be studies showing that pedophilia, beastiality, and polygamy are also biological, as they are all sexual preferences, nothing more.

Josiah said...

Highboy, show proof of studies that show polygamy, beastiality, and pedophillia as biological. Don't make statements without providing proof.

I provided you the name and the year. Google it. I'm not going throughout the internet searching for them. I got all the information off of some college books I had.

highboy said...

"I got all the information off of some college books I had."

Very convenient. And if you can prove that your gay lifestyle is natural and biological, then you should be a rich man, since its never been proven before.

Josiah said...

LOOK THE DAMN THING UP HIGHBOY! I ASSURE YOU ALL THE STUDIES ARE THERE! IF YOU DONT ACTUALLY PUT UP THE EFFORT TO LOOK INTO IT, SINCE I PROVIDED YOU THE NAMES AND YEARS TO CHECK, THEN SHUT UP! GEEZ!

Mother Theresa's patience would be challenged by you, for crying out loud!

Josiah said...

I'm going to help you with the first step, Highboy, since you obviously lack problem solving skills. Type in the name of the researcher, add perhaps gay or lesbian depending on the subject it is referring to, and viola. Just to check, I chose out of random "bailey gay studies", and found that the man's full name is j. michael bailey, which you can also check. he can't be too hard to find, as he is a professor fot eh Department of Psychology at Northwestern University. As I have proven, I don't just pull facts out of the air. Check up on him, or any of the researchers for that matter, up sometime.

highboy said...

Josiah, I've looked them up. You need to learn the difference between the word "proof" and "study". Your studies, the links you provided, prove nothing to your cause.

Josiah said...

Obviously you did not scroll down to read which studies he has participated in.

Of course no one will ever be able to fully define sexuality, but almost nothing has ever been fully defined. Even the ecxistance of gravity has been argued with some quite unsettling facts. Stuides, however, show evidence, trends, and patterns. In this sense, we can apply evidence brought by studies to show which case is highly probable.

Mark said...

Of course no one will ever be able to fully define sexuality, but almost nothing has ever been fully defined. Even the ecxistance of gravity has been argued with some quite unsettling facts.

Chase aka josiah still grasping..

I suggest you get back into the word of God, not man.

Josiah said...

The scripture can also be studied in the exact same way, mark, in regards to translation and historical context. Seeing that the bible is the most important book in the world, that is probably also the safest route. Human strategies may not give us a relationship with God, Mark, but using them can certianly help make a stronger relationship. No one should be happy with ignorance of the entire picture.

Josiah said...

Realize that when I say "human strategies", I'm talking about things such as science, the ability to see multiple possibilities, and common sense. I'm not talking about the selfish things humans are predestined to do.