Monday, September 18, 2006

United Methodist "Missionary" is Planned Parenthood Staffer


In its 2004-2005 Biennial Report, the missions board of the United Methodist Church reported a total of 904 missionaries affiliated with the board.

However, it would be a mistake to assume that all 904 individuals are engaged in traditional Christian missions work.

One example is Susan Burgess. According to the website of the General Board of Global Ministries (GBGM), the “ministry” to which she is commissioned by the GBGM’s deaconess program is to be an administrative assistant at a Northern California affiliate of Planned Parenthood.

Few United Methodists would agree that secretarial work for America’s largest abortion provider qualifies as Christian missionary service.

Even aside from moral qualms about abortion, there is much about Planned Parenthood that most United Methodists would find quite objectionable.

Like its parent body, Planned Parenthood-Shasta Diablo (where Burgess works) is very involved in far-left political activism. Last year, it lobbied in favor of a bill to “legalize same-sex marriage,” in blatant opposition to historic United Methodist Church teachings on marriage that have been affirmed by growing margins at the last few General Conferences. It also seeks to defend the legality of “aborting” infants who are already partially born, a practice condemned by the United Methodist Social Principles. Other political activities of Burgess’s employer include maintaining an “Action Fund” to help elect politicians who oppose any restriction on abortion and generating opposition to a proposed ballot initiative that would require its clinics to notify the parents of minor girls before performing abortion surgery on her.

Read the rest of report here.


TAKE ACTION:
Contact GBGM General Secretary Randy Day (rday@gbgm-umc.org or call 212-870-3606) and Deaconness Program Executive Secretary Becky Dodson Louter (bdodson@gbgm-umc.org or call 212-870-3850) to respectfully protest the board’s endorsement of the work of Susan Burgess at Planned Parenthood. You may also wish to contact any GBGM Directors you may know to politely share your concerns, as well as the bishops who help lead the board: Bishop Joel Martinez (bishop@umcswtx.org), Bishop Violet Fisher (nywaumc@frontiernet.net), Bishop Larry Goodpaster (bishop.awf@knology.net), Bishop Joseph Humper (cjhumper77@yahoo.com), Benjamin Justo (bajusto@yahoo.com), Bishop Øystein Olsen (bishop@umc-northerneurope.org), Bishop Bruce Ough (bishop@wocumc.org), Bishop Edward Paup (bishop@pnwumc.org).

77 comments:

Bill Garnett said...

Are you, the United Methodists, the same guys who run those inviting inclusive oriented ads on TV?

Mark said...

yes Bill I am.

And I greatly support all of us coming to the Lord's table and the Cross of Christ. Howvere, I am not for holding my sexual sins or anyother sins, up before God as Holy and Right. see the difference? It has nothing to do with me hating you.

I will agree with you, that slogan IMHO appeals too much to the secular liberal wolrdly view, a view I do not support.

Bill Garnett said...

Mark,

I'm at a loss of words; I’ve just about given up on trying to have a conversation with you. Frankly, there is little difference between your inerrant reading of the Bible and Osama bin Laden's inerrant reading of the Koran. For God's sake, God gave you a mind and its inherent ability to grapple with the moral choices in life.

I know you are NOT Osama bin Laden, but what you say hurts people -- it hurts me. You are homophobic. I’m trying to say this in the nicest way possible.

Early Christians had no Bible, had only the message -- a message of love. Where in the hell is your love? You seem to be unable to break away from the need to have some religious authority figure tell you what to believe.

If Jesus were to be among us today, do you really think he would appear as Newt Gingrich, or Jerry Falwell, or Anne Coulter? These people, and in fact most of the people who prop themselves up as leaders of your religious right are, bottom line, looking to sell books, get votes, or get contributions. They are not representative of Jesus or the Bible. They push books like “The Party of Death” trying to demonize the Democrats and the Clintons. It is a pissing match between right and left. Where does Jesus fit in here?

Just one example, children, orphaned children are dying all over the world. Now in God’s eyes everyone is of value. How can you call yourself Christian when just to forgo the cost of your lunch today, if given to the Christian Children’s’ Fund, would save the life of a starving child? Oh, that is too real too pragmatic, too immediate.

Well, it is no different for me to imply that your sin today in letting a child die – than it is for you to constantly pile guilt on me and others gays and lesbians for a sexual orientation that they did not chose.

Regards,

Bill

Mark said...

Bill,
I am not exactly sure of what I said that offended you so?

You seem to be unable to break away from the need to have some religious authority figure tell you what to believe.

If you mean God, as my 'religious authority' then yes, I am unwilling.

Please show me where I have ever said or implied God does not value every human on earth?

You are homophobic

No Bill, I am "not afraid" of homosexuality or those individuals that pridefully participate or battle with same sex attractions.

Mark said...

If Jesus were to be among us today, do you really think he would appear as Newt Gingrich, or Jerry Falwell, or Anne Coulter? These people, and in fact most of the people who prop themselves up as leaders of your religious right are, bottom line, looking to sell books, get votes, or get contributions. They are not representative of Jesus or the Bible. They push books like “The Party of Death” trying to demonize the Democrats and the Clintons. It is a pissing match between right and left. Where does Jesus fit in here?

WOW! Talk about sweeping generalizations and false assupmtions!

Great question? "where does Jesus fit in?"

DL Foster said...

"You are homophobic. I’m trying to say this in the nicest way possible."


I guess he didn't get the memo about GLSEN's "No name calling week"

Bill Garnett said...

I know homophobic sounds like name calling, but that is the definition of someone who would campaign to deny the civil rights of a gay or lesbian person.

Per Merriam-Webster

One entry found for homophobia.

Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
- ho·mo·pho·bic /-'fO-bik/ adjective


With respect to your sensitivity here, what would you prefer I call you? I don’t want to appear to be biased against homophobes.

Mark said...

that is the definition of someone who would campaign to deny the civil rights of a gay or lesbian person.

Can you actually say that with a straight face? standing in the State of Virginia, in the United States of America?

Can you please define civil rights for me? I must be missing something!


With respect to your sensitivity here, what would you prefer I call you?

"Mark" works for me.

Josiah said...

Considering this side has been called liars, ignorant, and godless by Mark before, I don't see why he should be so afraid of being called homophobic.

highboy said...

"Where in the hell is your love? You seem to be unable to break away from the need to have some religious authority figure tell you what to believe."

Jesus is the authority figure, and He says repeatedly to believe in Him. All other interpretation is nonsense.

"I know you are NOT Osama bin Laden, but what you say hurts people -- it hurts me."

Don't be gay. Period. Get pissed off all you want, but if you think Jesus would condone homosexuality or any other sin, you are mistaken. You know this, you've read the Bible. By your logic, a pedophile didn't choose to be a pedophile, a serial rapist didn't choose to be a rapist.

"You are homophobic."

I'm not afraid of you or your lifestyle. Your lifestyle will be your problem when you answer to God, and when you do, a little tip: "I was born this way!" isn't going to cut it.

"Considering this side has been called liars, ignorant, and godless by Mark before, I don't see why he should be so afraid of being called homophobic."

Didn't you quit blogging here 20 posts ago?

Josiah said...

I changed my mind, Highboy. I hod gotten some quite endearing fanmail that told me not to give up on you guys, so well, here I am.

Again, Highboy rejects the fact that numerous studies I pointed out to him LAST TIME were evidence. Either that, or he was just to lazy to look into it himself. You could expect both from him.

He also seems to ignore multiple explanations on the translation of the bible I have given him. And the sad truth is, he never brings any evidence to go against it. He just brings up the same argument with different wording.

DL Foster said...

Mark, somebody's driving away your friendly traffic by trying to win the Lets see how many opposing-but idiotic comments I can post in one day crown.

DL Foster said...

"Per Merriam-Webster"

Arent we all glad that Merriam-Webster died on the cross of definitions to save us all?

Mark said...

He also seems to ignore multiple explanations on the translation of the bible I have given him

Prerequiste for that translation: A fool in search of justifying his own sin. Biblical Revisionist, most of which are out and proud homosexuals.

Bill Garnett said...

Mark, You have fully shown your hand in that you are a blind believer within the limitations of the Bible. I hope you have found all the missing chapters, have become proficient in ancient Greek and Latin, and are a scholar in both translation and theology. And that you understand the 2,000 year history, the Council of Nicea, and the divergent branches through Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodoxy that has produced whatever version (of the myriads of versions and translations) that you happen to take as the inerrant word of God.

But, in reality, isn’t it true that you have no authority or qualifications to tell me in absolute terms that you know God’s will any better or clearer than I do. And I certainly would not be so arrogant as to try to suggest that I do over you.

I hope it is not the case that you have discarded reason for empty faith and you have walked away from your stewardship of a questioning mind that was God’s gift to you. The Bible also warns of false prophets and says also that you shall know them by their works. God made the Bible, God made everything.

Mark said...

And that you understand the 2,000 year history, the Council of Nicea, and the divergent branches through Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodoxy that has produced whatever version (of the myriads of versions and translations) that you happen to take as the inerrant word of God.

Yes Bill, I do.

It seems Your god makes mistakes, can't find missing books, and sent his son Jesus Christ to die for sin because...? is it that sin didn't really matter, nor did a change of heart?


Do you ever wonder why you don't think the Bible IS the inerrant word of God?

God made the Bible, God made everything.

You wanna elaborate on this? you lost me..


chew on this

The Council of Nicea is often misrepresented by cults and other religious movements. The actual concern of the council was clearly and unambiguously the relationship between the Father and the Son. Is Christ a creature, or true God? The council said He was true God. Yet, the opponents of the deity of Christ did not simply give up after the council’s decision. In fact, they almost succeeded in overturning the Nicene affirmation of Christ’s deity. But faithful Christians like Athanasius continued to defend the truth, and in the end, truth triumphed over error.

Josiah said...

DL, of course, not realizing that Jesus said nothing about the definition of the word homophobia, since the word wasn't even created yet. >.>

Again, God provided the Word of the Bible. He didn't go about translating it afterwords. If He did, it would be much less debatable.

"Prerequiste for that translation: A fool in search of justifying his own sin. Biblical Revisionist, most of which are out and proud homosexuals."
Where the hell do you get this information, Mark? Does God just whisper statistics into your ear while your praying? Or, perhaps, are you just making it up? You don't have any proof that the majority are homosexuals. Also, if your going to say all the translation I explained was false, why don't you actually research the words yourself to come up with a conclusion? Am I the only one who actually likes it when people don't just make biased claims without any proof?

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Josiah said...

Debra, the UUC does everything it can to distance itself from Christian churches. It's another religion entirely. Why are you bringing it up?

highboy said...

"Again, Highboy rejects the fact that numerous studies I pointed out to him LAST TIME were evidence."

That is not evidence Josiah. That is a STUDY. That doesn't prove anything. If it did, they would be rich.

"He also seems to ignore multiple explanations on the translation of the bible I have given him."

Because your interpretation is wrong. It is lame, and is simply a vain attemtp at justifying your disgusting sexual preference. The evidence against it is the Bible it self, which records NO same sex couples in a casual basis. Why is that?

"I hope you have found all the missing chapters,"

Missing chapters? Let me guess, they all say homosexuality is fine right? Damn, if only we had those "missing chapters."

highboy said...

"God made the Bible, God made everything."

If God made the Bible, why would you have Mark ignore it in regards to homosexuality?

Message to Josiah and Bill: God explicitly condemns homosexuality in the Bible. You know it, I know it. If it is just a cultural thing, then God is NOT the same now and forever, making it a contradiction. You are trying to fit your sin into God's kingdom and it just doesn't wash. You learn this the hard way I'm afraid.

highboy said...

Josiah: Proof that homosexuality can be overcome. Another study. Heh.

highboy said...

I also like this:

"1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior"

Hmmm.

Fact is, you can cite "studies" all day long Josiah. In the end, that's all they are.

Josiah said...

Wow, Highboy, Paul Cameron, the most ridiculed, disproven researcher of sexuality in all of history, Highboy. Unlike your meager offerings, Highboy, I actually provide researchers that haven't been laughed out of the universities. I trust the fact American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical Association, heck, even the American Pediatric Association, all disagree with your organizations, doesn't phase you. However, I'd think twice next time before using religious institutions that are considered a laughingstock to the medical community.

If my translations are so lame, Highboy, please provide better ones. Please go into detailed explanations on the Old Hebrew and Greek texts that brought tyhem about, as well as direct connections to historical context. In other words, don't ridicule my work until you bring something at least just as plausible to the table.

And on the idea that God doesn't change, I don't say he does, but he has changed rules according to the times (and no, I'm not saying homosexuality is one of them. of course, I never considered it a sin in the first place). Consider the fact that to populate our planet, Cain married his sister. I hope you don't mean to say that he approves of incest NOW.

Studies show scientific fact. They show evidence, and proof, that has been brought about. you don't have that.

Apron said...

They never did find the gay gene like they said they would. Now they claim that homosexuality is due to the level of hormones in the woman while pregnant.
This could be seen as a biological error or disorder.
If something happened that you were born thinking you were a sheep, society wouldnt change the definition of marriage to cater to every disorder and fetish out there.

Mark said...

If I hear about the Paul Cameron force field of rejection one more time....

Chase aks Josiah writes...
And on the idea that God doesn't change, I don't say he does, but he has changed rules according to the times (and no, I'm not saying homosexuality is one of them. of course, I never considered it a sin in the first place). Consider the fact that to populate our planet, Cain married his sister. I hope you don't mean to say that he approves of incest NOW.


See the bold, which is mine?

So Chase, God changes the rules???? are you insane? Advice: Only Man changes God's word, and only Man changes God's rules and boundaries for our lives. For you to even THINK God changes (and call yourself a christian), is absolute rubbish!The same kind of rubbish you have accepted as God's Truth by Godless idiots bent on conforming God's word to their sin of the flesh and of the human experience!

That, Chase is Evil at work! I suggest you take a closer look at just how Eve was tempted by Satan. I also suggest you stop being led like a bitch dog on a pink studded lesh by out and proud homsexuals. They will lead you right into the depths of their own depravity.

Mark said...

I was born a bisexual, homosexual, pedophile.

I want to marry all the children I so dearly love.

I will not be denied my my Civil Rights!

If you fight against my civil rights then you are no better than the KKK that lynched black folk!


You gotta problem with this?

If you do, welcome to Chester Street!
btw, what an absoulte insult to the many people and their families who have suffered the death of a loved one based on skin color! shame on you! and I am being polite!

Mark said...

and shame on you if you even dare compare the beating or killing of any 'gay' on those who call homosexuality a sin!

It seems real clear to me, Out and Proud Homosexual Activists blame Any human tragedy on any and all who dare refute them. Pure rotten garbage!

Worth repeating by DL Foster!
(1) You give your life to Christ and make him LORD over your sexuality.
(2) You live a life of sexual abstinence if you are single.
(3) You remain sexually faithful to your husband/wife if married.
(4) You stop supporting the idea that sex is nothing more than an uncontrollable urge.

Josiah said...

Mark, are you saying Cain didn't marry his sister, or that God is not against incest? ANd do you ignore the Jewish laws? God has indeed changed his laws before.

Youy say we blame any human tragedy that happens on conservatives. Remember a while back, in South Africa, a young girl was killed by the lesbian couple who took care of her. Agape Press ate it up, of course, and said that that is what will happen if gay adoption is legalized. Not to mention any time a protester is silenced by the police, gay people are automatically put to blame. The fact is, it's human nature to blame any problem on the other side, and both sides love to do it. Please don't ridicule people for doing the same thing you do.

The main reason that pedophillia is not allowed is because it hurts children. You really need to stop making the gay/pedophile connection, it really doesn't hold water.

Hate crimes against gay people are the same as hate crimes against black people. Both are borne out of ignorance of people that are different. I don't see how connecting a gay bashing to one of say a black man gettoing beat because of racism is any different.

One person comparing you to the KKK does not a large group idea make.

"bitch dog on pink studded collar?"
can you make any more sterotypical ideas about gay people, mark?

Mark said...

Please don't ridicule people for doing the same thing you do.

I won't if you won't.

God has indeed changed his laws before.

Please provide me the exact law about incest that God changed? The fact or most certain fact that Cain had children with his sister is not a law, btw.

Hate crimes against gay people are the same as hate crimes against black people

I agree Chase, a crime has been committed, punish the gulity!

Your not suggesting white or 'straight' people deserve less are you?

Apron said...

Homo's seem to think that its a hate crime for christians to say Homosexuality is a sin.
Its not a hate crime to say this, its freedom of speech and religion.

Joe Brummer said...

Apron,
Most homo's don't care if you think it is a sin, but most Christians including Mark do not stop at "it's a sin", they then go on to use flawed research, half truths of science, and deception by omission tactics to make all homo's look like evil men with trench coats and clip boards hanging out at the mall trying to recruit enough young ones to get the free toaster.

If this was just about "a sin", this discussion, this blog, my blog, and all of these anti-gay and pro-gay organizations would have no need to exist.

But for most Christians, they don't stop at "its a sin" and they don't remain honest in their portrayal of gays and lesbians either. The make absurd claims that we are the cause of earthquakes, 9-11 attacks, hurricanes, and floods. It has been christians organizations that have claimed gays are after the children, destroying society, spreading diseased and causing wars.

If you all could just stop at "its a sin", I would be a very happy homo, but that fact remains, you don't stop with "it's a sin".

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Mark said...

but most Christians including Mark do not stop at "it's a sin", they then go on to use flawed research, half truths of science, and deception by omission tactics to make all homo's look like evil men with trench coats and clip boards hanging out at the mall trying to recruit enough young ones to get the free toaster.

Joe, I am so sorry. Please tell me who it is that want's to redefine marriage other than One woman and One man?

But for most homo's, they don't stop at "its a not sin" and they don't remain honest in their portrayal of christians and conservatives either.

They make absurd claims that we are the cause of 9-11 attacks, gay bashing, intollerance, and racisim. It has been homosexual activists that have claimed christians are after the children, destroying society, spreading hate and causing wars.

If those homo's could just stop at "its a Not sin", I would be a very happy christian conservative, but that fact remains, they don't stop with "it's a Not sin".

Nope the homo bitching goes on and on and on....

Mark said...

Actually, most third world countries do not put up with them at all.

Debra,
Nice reality check for those livin' large in a country founded on christian principles!

This mess of Out and Proud homosexual activism will not go unrefuted. Nor will they dismiss God's word as Hate Speech without opposition!

God Bless! :)

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Apron said...

Debra, tell us how you really feel? lol

Ok, Mark and Joe Brumer both have a point about each group wanting to go farther than free speech.
Yes, christians are very concerned that homosexuality, heterosexual orgies, and all kinds of liberal sexual practices will warp and ruin societies children. We want to protect kids from being taught that anything is permissible, there are no rules, we should tolerate everything.
Liberals and Homo's are concerned that christians will stop them from killing innocent babies, stop them from sex in the public streets and malls, and trying to make porn harder to access for children.

I prefer the conservative values myself:)

Bill Garnett said...

I am gay, and I am moral. The characteristics you cite for gays are pure hyperbole. There are liberal gays and conservative gays, and other than sexual orientation, the other characteristics of a person are as diverse in the heterosexual population as in the homosexual population.

I certainly don't advocate hurting children, families, individuals, or society.

But using inflammatory language is neither civil nor helpful; and certainly not in keeping with the Christian values you imply you are promoting.

Apron said...

Hey Bill Garnett,
there are some conservative gays, but most are attracted to the liberal agenda since they are your strongest advocate.
Many liberals consider themselves to be moral based on equating tolerance to morality.
Most christians use the real definition of morailty instead of substituting the word "tolerance" in place of every debate.

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highboy said...

Josiah: Son, you didn't do any WORK. If your sources are so much more credible, please give ample evidence to support such a claim, along with evidence to support your claim the my source is not credible. Or is this another one of your "find it yourself" gimmicks? I never met a troll before who used the "prove my argument for me" tactic.

As to your "translations", it is laughable for you to demand work from me when you have repeatedly made outragious claims regarding the interpretation of the Bible with absolutely ZERO support. The translations of the Bible I use, the ones that condemn homosexuality, are time-tested and credible. If you can refute them, do so with more than just speculation.

"Studies show scientific fact. They show evidence, and proof, that has been brought about. you don't have that."

And neither do you. You have online sources (sort of) to studies that make an argument, without proving anything.

"If you all could just stop at "its a sin", I would be a very happy homo, but that fact remains, you don't stop with "it's a sin"."

Lying and misrepresenting people is also a sin Joe, something you have done to Mark quite frequently without any accountability whatsoever. You just break every commandment don't you?

"I am gay, and I am moral."

Says who? You? What are you basing this on? Not the Bible. If its your own morality, than just say so.

"I certainly don't advocate hurting children, families, individuals, or society"

But you're gay, so actually, you do.

"The main reason that pedophillia is not allowed is because it hurts children. You really need to stop making the gay/pedophile connection, it really doesn't hold water."

It does to everyone but gays.

Joe Brummer said...

Debra posts are just so amazing. She sounds as if the worlds ill could be blamed on homo's.

What amazes me, or not, is that Mark is allowing it.

Debra sounds just like phelps. So irrational that it cannot be viewed as anything more than extremist.

To call upself Christian and allow this sort of talk is just as hypocritical as you believe gay christians are. No better and no worse, but Debra's statements are insane. The fact Mark Allows it means he agrees with such stuff.

THAT IS HATE!

Mark said...

Joe,
Do you want care to clarify the insane remark. Or does it have more to do with opposing certain views or personalities?

Your tactic to make this about "hate" is transparent, at lest to me. The phelps comment was just icing on the cake.

Joe Brummer said...

Sure Mark,
Let me clarify with quotes from Debra:
"I personally, feel that it is also our right to say that they [gays] are the cause of earthquakes, 9-11 attacks, hurricanes, and floods. And I know for a FACT that they are after the children, destroying society and spreading disease. I really do not know if they are causing wars, however. But, I don't think they really need to cause wars to destroy lives. Do they? They destroy lives everyday, all over the world. Satan doesn't need to use them for wars, when people are dropping dead every day cause of them.


Joe's commentary: She knows for fact? Gays are the cause of earthquakes? People are fropping dead because of gays? Good gos Mark, what happen to Christian comments that claimed homosexuality was no worse than any other sin?

Debra writes: "Perhaps the government needs to begin with making it illegal to do the 'acts' that they do with each other--those acts are causing FAR more physical and psychological harm to them, than anything others do to them. hmm.. in some states, those acts ARE illegal--funny how that gets over looked."

Joe replies: This is the words of a sick person, not a christian. There is no peer reviewed science to back up these lies, no medical or mental associations agree with her lies, And in NO STATE are such act illegal.

Mark, this is also the same women who another another post on your blog said gays should all be sent to an island and apparently Mark, since you don't seem to object to her irational comments, you must agree to them

Nice! Perhaps you don't mind being lumped together with people like this, maybe you should join the Westboro Baptist Church.

Mark said...

Joe,
Debra's comments are welcome here. What you do with that fact and reality is up to you.

You and I do not have the same definition of irrational among other things.

Last I checked, AIDS is indeed killing many people across the globe. Last I checked it is indeed more of a threat to those who engage in sex outside of God's boundardies.

Joe, you have called the very description of homosexual acts, dispicable rude and nasty. What's your problem with her doing the same?

Straight Quake said...

Joe's commentary: She knows for fact? Gays are the cause of earthquakes?

How would anal sex register on the richter scale? Possible a 6.9? lol
Rumbling in the Rectum? lol Dont bend over in the shower, the big one is suppose to come, lol

apron said...

Joe,

Mark ALLOWED Debra to make those posts? Are you saying that Mark shouldnt be for free speech and censor posts that you dont agree with?
I dont see Mark censoring any of your posts? Correct me if I am wrong

Josiah said...

Actually, yes, Apron, he's censored quite a few of my posts.

And again, highboy, all of my sources have been approved by the leading medical associations. Yours however, haven't/ In the same sense, check any of the words I mentioned of when discussing ancient hebrew, and I assure you, you will find your evidence.

Africans have AIDS more than anyone, Mark. I suppose your telling them they aren't allowed to have sex anymore, since the majority of them can't check, even after marriage. >.>

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html
amazing what you can find while doing history homework, eh? of course, I'm sure now you're going to call John Adams a liar or something. >.>

Apron said...

Joshia, how did he censor your posts, did he remove some from the blog?

Josiah said...

Yes, apron.

Apron said...

Mark, thats not nice of you to censor Joshia.

Anonymous said...
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Mark said...

apron,
I am not nice.

anonymous,

I deleted your comment because it directly attacked Debra and was so full of shit IMHO, I just had to. I am sure you understand that feeling. You may post it again, but you will need a blogger id. I would love for Debra to correct you, in her own way....:)

Apron said...

God doesnt honor marriage vows of homosexuals, lol
God created man to marry a woman, be fruitful and multiply. This is what marriage vow God honors, not a man pretending is ass is a vagina.

Apron said...

Mark, do you notice its always someone hisding behind the "anonymous" label to make a direct attack on someone?
That coward deserves to be deleted unless they use their own name.

Anonymous said...

No, Mark.

Not necessary.

You've just proven the point perfectly.

You have no interest in fairness, in love or in facts.

Your blog is here to promote hate and anyone who comes with comment that brings the darkness you favor into the light gets deleted.

There's no interest here for discussion or dialogue, only a bulletin board for lies and hate.

Josiah, really don't know why you throw your pearls before these swine. There are so many worthy blogs and forums that would love to have you participate.

Leave the vomit for the dogs. They POSITIVELY love it.

Apron doesn't mean a thing said...

Oh, and "apron", I can create a per post name too. Does not make me anymore "known" than your screen name identifies who you really are.

Mark said...

apron,
I really don't care what name one uses. I do care that an ID is used for other reasons. This is not an AOL chat room.

anonymous,
You've just proven the point perfectly.

Thank you, I usually do, but I appreciate you noticing.

You have no interest in fairness, in love or in facts.

Your right again! I have an interest in what Christ did for all of us and refuting those who would like to pick that apart based on the flesh and world's 'facts'.

Josiah, really don't know why you throw your pearls before these swine

It tickles me that you at lest know some Biblical doctrine. I just wish you would stop using it to justify unbibical doctrine. That would make you, not me a false teacher.

Leave the vomit for the dogs. They POSITIVELY love it.

Who are the dogs? Those that give all their life to Christ? or those that only give what they want to give?

DebraJMSmith said...
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Anonymous said...

When Debbie and those of her ilk campaign as fervently against divorce, unmarried heterosexuals co-habitating and remarriage then maybe she might be seen as coming from a "Christian" point of view rather than a one track bigoted stance.

She states that she HATES homosexuals, she positively HATES them!"

Well, Debbie, Per the Bible you loves to misquote and use out of context, God HATES Divorce...he positively HATES it too!

On out of marriage sexual affairs, why God HATES that so much, he put it in his "Top Ten" list!

What does more damage to the sexual health of "Christians" and "Heathens" than any homosexual act is the casual engaging of sex acts -- including ORAL and ANAL -- of heterosexuals.

PAP abnormalities, cervical cancer, syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhea, yeast infections, prostate trouble, kidney/bladder infections and HERPES which has NO CURE are just a few of the physical costs.

Children born out of wedlock, children from broken families and single parent homes are epidemic. When you scream about how evil it is for gays to adopt you need to stop and catch a breath while recognizing where those available babies are coming from...STRAIGHT man/woman sex! It's shocking all right that gays are adopting...shocking to have 1,000's of these unwanted lives that are products of such sin...heterosexual affairs and one night stands!

This does not even begin to address the emotional cost of the low regard heterosexuals hold for THEIR bodies, their VOWS TO GOD to honor marriage and hold it HOLY as does Christ with his Church and THEIR lives as they are passing AIDS along at an alarming rate with young straight women being the fastest growing group.

Before someone steps up and starts in with the "God allows for divorce," go back and read your bible again. Yes, there is one--count it--ONE reason to leave...adultery. BUT--and this is a BIG BIG BIG but there is NO provision for REMARRIAGE. NONE. ZIP. NADA.

If Debbie wants to make sex her platform, fine. But until she applies the rules of sin and abomination along with what GOD positively HATES equally, she's just another run of the mill, dime a dozen bigot hiding her hate behind the Bible.

Apron said...

Anonymous is just another run of the mill baby killing, christian hating, perversion enabling Liberal that only loves those who think like she does. That makes her a bigot also.

Anonymous said...

Nice to know that certain sins are acceptable to the "Christians" who congregate here.

Me thinks that anonymous hit too close to home for some of you.

Divorced? Pre-Marital sex? Guess they don't count as sins on this blog.

Good to know.

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Anonymous said...

Beep....WRONG!

You see marches on Washington and rallies all across AMERICA as women SCREAM for their "reproductive rights" and "control over their own bodies."

Why do they do this you don't seem to want to ask?

BECAUSE OF THEIR STRAIGHT, HETEROSEXUAL SIN in fornicating. MILLIONS of them who became pregnant as a result of man/woman sexual relations that resulted in unwanted pregnancies. Those are some pretty big parades wouldn't you say??

Did ya hear they are handing out condoms in schools to kids? Teen girls can get Birth Control w/o parent permission? The RU86 "morning after pill" is the newest "quick fix" for the All American weekend drunken one night stand??

How'd that happen?? Straight, heterosexual people demanding their right to sexually express themselves and demanding their rights!

I could list other examples of debauchery -- Hollywood "stars" living together out of marriage splashed on the cover of every magazine at your local Wal-Mart. Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie spitting out babies out of wedlock being hailed as "heroes" for donating the millions they get for the first baby pictures in the most popular magazines.

How's that "hiding" heterosexual sin? hu? The "Heteros" are parading their sins just as boldly if not more so than the "Homos" on Television, in newspapers/magazines, over the Internet EVERY SINGLE DAY. Compared to an occasional parade their activities by far outnumber the gay events in frequency and publicity.

Point is, if you're going to preach against "sexual sin," preach against ALL sexual sin, not just the one most of your readers won't be committing lest they get offended and turn on you.

When you selectively decided to single out one group of "sexual sinners" who are estimated to be between 5-10% of the population while ignoring the 90-95% of the others whose actions are much more destructive to the morals of our children and families, you show a bias that can't be over looked.

But, nice try.

Oh, and Mark, about Debbie/Debra/Mrs Smith really showing me...she did and it only reinforced everything I suspected. Sorry to disappoint you but I'm unscathed and still standing.

God really is good.

Anonymous said...

Almost forgot!

Re: Divorce.

If you were to apply the same "Biblical Marriage" rules to divorce and try to take away the right of people to get that divorce based on your "Christian" belief that such should not be allowed, you can bet there would a screach across this nation the likes of which has never been heard.

Oh, and a signifigant number in that voice would be from the thousand upon thousand upon thousand of Fundamentilist Christians who have divorced or are in the process of divorcing breaking up their "true biblical marriage" of one man and one woman unions. Yes, those couplings that, for the most part, were made in front of clergy promising to "love as Christ loved his Church, forsaking all others TILL DEATH DO US PART.

Mark said...

anonymous,
I absolutley agree with you! Sexual sin is a predatory beast that affects all of us!

If I spend Too much of my blog time on "homosexuality", please forgive me. I just happen to believe it is that group of Out and Proud activists that pour water on God's word and divide the body of Christ with moral relativism while holding their sin up before God as Holy.

I do not see your average person seeking Christ and battling sexual sin teaching others, 'it's OK, God made us this way. There is no need to for a change of heart, No need to get on your knees and ask to be made whole and with a right spirit with Christ!'.

Now, do you believe in Christ's teachings? Should we obey some, or all of them if you do?

Mark said...

oh and by the way!
I will always apply Bibical doctrine to my life and the lives of others no matter how far anyone of us fall short. I will never lower the standard! nor should you.

highboy said...

"And again, highboy, all of my sources have been approved by the leading medical associations."

Which means nothing since they don't prove YOUR assertions.


anonymous: Point to one statement Mark has made that is full of hate. If not, go troll someone else's site and you and Josiah can leave your snail trails together.

"When Debbie and those of her ilk campaign as fervently against divorce, unmarried heterosexuals co-habitating and remarriage then maybe she might be seen as coming from a "Christian" point of view rather than a one track bigoted stance"

How do you know she doesn't dumbass?

"PAP abnormalities, cervical cancer, syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhea, yeast infections, prostate trouble, kidney/bladder infections and HERPES which has NO CURE are just a few of the physical costs."

Homosexuals get AIDs like nobody's business, which also has no cure, but I guess objectivity is too difficult for a troll.

"Point is, if you're going to preach against "sexual sin," preach against ALL sexual sin, not just the one most of your readers won't be committing lest they get offended and turn on you."

Couldn't agree more. The problem is, Mark and I both have posted regarding sexual sin (all of the above) before. The queers come here and post comments in response. Fornicators have not. That could be why you see so many posts regarding homosexuality.

"Sorry to disappoint you but I'm unscathed and still standing."

No, you're not. You are a pathetic welp desperately crying for attention, hence the incoherent ramblings and constant trolling. If you spent more time with people and less time held up in your mother's basement this would be easier on you.

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Apron said...

Look how ignorant ANONYMOUS Is. She call "abortion" a reproductive right.
Abortion is a RIGHT to Murder, pro life is a reproductive right.
Some people are so brain dead that they think abortion is reproducing.

apron said...

Debra, Anonymous thinks we would beloving people if we TOLERATE baby killers.
Anonymous has no respect for life at all and anonymous and her ilk are baby bigots and good people are repulsed by these bottom feeder killers.

Josiah said...

You say that people don't flaunt their divorces, and yet I see so many "romantic" movies where women leave their abusive or even just dull husbands. People entering church aren't asked if they've been divorced before, however most gay people aren't allowed church membership. And I assure you most of those people don't feel one ounce of regret that they divorced either.

"Anonymous has no respect for life at all and anonymous and her ilk are baby bigots and good people are repulsed by these bottom feeder killers."
A we bit hostile aren't we?

Highboy, if you noticed one way or the other, all pointed out that there is evidence in there that could point to the conclusion that homosexuality is mostly biological. I have about 12 or so if I'm correct. If you can get similar evidence from any investigations (and no, im not talking about the horribly misused NARTH or Cameron, both of which have been known to ignore a little thing called "variables" when doing their research) we can continue this particular line of discussion farther, as it quite interests me.

Homosexuals get AIDS like nobody's business? So do people in Africa. Even more, in fact. And they don't have money to afford condoms or go to some HIV checking center. I guess they should be told they're gonna have to be celibate. >.>

Decor plush said...

Homosexuality is a biological weapon of mass destruction. Lets say homosexuality is in the genes and from this point on, no gay man has sex with a female to pass on the gay gene, would homosexuality become extinct in the future because the gay gene wont be passed on to future generations?

Josiah said...

Decor Plush, homosexuals come from straight parents most of the time. Homosexuality is not caused by a single gene, but most likely by a combination of certian genes, as well as events within the mother's womb. Outside influences may also be part, but this more likely influences the person's perception on how to feel about their orientation, changing little details, but not the big picture. STopping homosexuals from having biological children won't do crap. >.>

DebraJMSmith said...
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Josiah said...

You know Debra, if you have nothing to contribute, don't say anything. Nobody truthfully cares if you give little, generic, one-liners.