Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Joel Osteen's message...


Well, I just finished watching Joel Osteen again last tonight. What a great uplifting message he has! I see why so many flock to his sermons. It is, however, sad he is leading folks in the opposite direction of the true Biblical God. Joel's heart is in the right place I suspect, but unfortunately his message leaves way too many on the same well traveled path towards eternal Separation from God. Are we reminded enough times that more people will go to Hell than Heaven according to Jesus Christ Himself ? I don't think we are. All too many people thinking they are saved, yet an enemy of God even as they sit in church. False doctrine makes False converts to Christ. Even if they sit in church every Sunday, feed the hungry, help the poor, smile all day long, give more than 10% of their income, help those in need, make friends with everyone they meet, etc... There are others who are also very concerned with Osteen's message as I am, and why I write this.

A life in Christ, is dead to this world and all it has to offer. Do we think our 'good' acts make us a 'good' person in God's sight? Do we think our 'good' intentions make us 'good' in God's sight? Do we think we can actually earn God's favor? EARN God's favor, as Osteen teaches? Even after what Christ did on the cross for us? We should think again. We smell of sin's death before a God so Holy His mere shadow would blind and kill us. I wish Osteen would speak of that Biblical truth. God has only ONE ultimate thing in mind for us. It ain't got nothing to do with our earthly happiness, job, money, sex, friends, family etc... it is our salvation. That is not achieved by us saying or speaking the words "Christ is my savior and I accecpt Him". It is achieved by our heart being truly convicted by our sins, and a life changing faith in Christ for paying our due penalty of an eternal Death sentence in hell. Which we all deserve standing before an all Just Holy God as our Judge.

"Thank you Jesus!" should take on a new meaning, eh?

16 comments:

Stephen said...

I don't think that people do good works because they want to prove they are Christian.

When I was baptised, I was filled with a sense of love and compassion for all people. When I am able to set my own selfish, sinful nature aside, I am naturally moved to do "good" things. I believe this is Christ in me.

Good works flow from faith, not the other way around.

As a corrolary: faith without fruit is meaningless. :)

Jonathan said...

What about the scripture that says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved"? Doesn't that imply that belief is what is necessary for salvation? James says that faith without works is dead.

Doesn't it sound presumptous to say that Olsteen is leading people astray. Neither of us know his heart or the leading that comes from the Holy Spirit. Think of Samuel and the selection of David as the future king. Even Samuel, the Prophet of God, was unable to look into a person's heart and see whether they were selected or not by God.

j.

Mark said...

With Faith, come works and acts. You don't do, to get. That is the essence of Osteen's unbiblical message.

Doesn't it sound presumptous to say that Olsteen is leading people astray

Not the way I say it.

Neither of us know his heart or the leading that comes from the Holy Spirit

You are right we don't know his heart, that's why I don't judge his heart, I judge his message.

Anonymous said...

Neither of us know his heart or the leading that comes from the Holy Spirit.

True but we do know a persons works. And we are to judge them by their fruit. Osteen's works are contrary to Biblical teaching, thus his fruits are not worthy of Heaven. It doesn't matter how sincere he is, he is sincerely wrong.

My pasto has the same concerns about Osteen and warns us about his teachings.

Mark said...

Dane,
Thats good to know about your Pastor! Your at the Right church brother!

Anonymous said...

How do we establish which is false doctrine and which is true?

Mark said...

Bible study.

Stephen said...

Now would be a prudent time to point out that Ebsfwan's area of expertise is hermeneutics.

Mark said...

area of expertise is hermeneutics ?

Awesome! Maybe ebsfwan can help us establish false biblical doctrine from God's truth, eh?

highboy said...

There is nothing you can do to earn salvation. It comes through faith alone. Nowhere is it said that works will save you. If you have faith, and Jesus is Lord of your life, the good works will come. Not the other way around.

Stephen said...

Indeed, that's right, highboy.

However, I was asserting (as others have asserted) faith without works is dead.

Jonathan said...

Mark -

You indicated that Bible Study was the way to establish what is false doctrine and what isn't. Regarding Olsteen, do you think that if you were to have a conversation with him regarding his message that he could point out his own careful research of the scriptures?

j.

Mark said...

do you think that if you were to have a conversation with him regarding his message that he could point out his own careful research of the scriptures?

Probably not.

Jonathan said...

That's a very telling statement Mark.

j.

Mark said...

yes it is jonathan. He could point out a lot of things he believes are based in scripture, he does it all the time delivering his message. I find his message very appealing to our worldly fruits, not heavenly fruits.

What careful study of the Bible do you know Osteen has jonathan? and what do you think of my opinion of his message?

Dani said...

Mark said - "Well, I just finished watching Joel Osteen again last tonight. What a great uplifting message he has! I see why so many flock to his sermons..."

At first this totally freaked me out to hear you say that...good thing I continued to read further. Sheesh! ;>

Pastors like this guy Joel Osteen are among many in this mass growing movement for mega churches and tickle your ear feel good messages.
IMO - Men like Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, Joyce Myers, Dr. Dobson, ect. are just waiting in line for the next indecent exposure where they will reap what they sow.

Great Post Mark!