Friday, November 17, 2006

Pentagon Changes Listing of Homosexuality as Mental Illness


Fox News Reports this: WASHINGTON — Pentagon guidelines that classified homosexuality as a mental disorder now put it among a list of conditions or "circumstances" that range from bed-wetting to fear of flying.

...The guidelines outline retirement or other discharge policies for service members with physical disabilities. The rules include sections that describes other specific conditions, circumstances and defects that also could lead to retirement, but are not physical disabilities.


Among the conditions are stammering or stuttering, dyslexia, sleepwalking, motion sickness, obesity, insect venom allergies and homosexuality.

Interesting. I wonder why they excluded Godless liberal from the list?

27 comments:

highboy said...

Your welcome Mark.

Stephen said...

nice!

Dani said...

My husband just read this to me today.

Obviously same sex attraction is not normal, so classifying homosexuality as a mental disorder seems about right to me.

Left-wing, liberals with loose morals can also be classified as mentally disturbed individuals within the same category.

Stephen said...

Wow, Dani. Though I wish what you wrote above was satire, from looking at your blog it seems as though it it merely ironic.

Joe Brummer said...

Oh yes, Dani but please keep in mind that hyper-religiosity is a real mental disorder listed in the DSM IV. Religious addiction is rumored to be added to the DSM V due out soon!

So if godless liberals makes the list, so should and doesn't "too much god and conservative" and those have a real diagnosis....

You may not want to admit it, but sometimes "god" or "religion" can become and addiction. People loose their jobs, wives, families to religion. Enough of a disorder that they are giving it a place in the books!

Josiah said...

"Obviously same sex attraction is not normal, so classifying homosexuality as a mental disorder seems about right to me."
Of course ignoring the last, oh 50 years of psychological science.

Seriously, though, they the military is justr making excuses. No one can seriously make a good reason why gay people shouldn't be in the military.

Mark said...

highboy,
I am always welcome, no? or is there something else you want? Maybe you think this blog's readers out number your fingers? on your right hand? barely! :)

Dani,
"liberals and morals" all in the same sentence...good thing you clarified with mentally disturbed! ;)

Mark said...

No one can seriously make a good reason why gay people shouldn't be in the military.

That would depend on exactly what you think the Military's purpose and mission is, and the best way to achieve it.

I am surprised you Chase, aka joshia, don't understand why boys and girls don't share bathrooms, tents, dressing rooms, dorm rooms, and happy hours equally.

Mark said...

Brummer
People loose their jobs, wives, families to religion.

Only those who worship a 'man made' God. You know what I am talking about Joe, the god that serves us, the one that does not exist no matter how many times we hide behind our defintion of love.

Stephen said...

Actually, I fail to see where the problem is. The Pentagon no longer list homosexuality as a mental disorder, in keeping with research. This is a good thing in my book.

They did, however, have to move it to the list of "other circumstances" warranting dismissal. Why? Because of the "don't ask don't tell" laws, they have to put homosexuality in a list of other "circumstances" that warrant dismissal.

Joe Brummer said...

Actually Mark, YOu are ill informed. Some Christians have taken their beliefs so far as to loose their jobs because they would not stop trying to convert their fellow employees at lunch. They were serving the same "god" as you, they just took it too far.


It is funny whenever I have brought evidence of this affliction to Christian they either deny that someone could take it too far and be addicted to Christianity (or other religions) or they say it is a good thing to be addicted to, when their is nothing that is good about addiction. It is a loss of control of one's life.

jas said...

i wonder if they added "talking to beings that there is no physical evidence of" to the list...

Josiah said...

"I am surprised you Chase, aka Josiah, don't understand why boys and girls don't share bathrooms, tents, dressing rooms, dorm rooms, and happy hours equally."

Because quite a few straight men are perverts.

Josiah said...

You don't believe there are fanatics in your ranks, Mark? Ones who have the same intentions that you have but have sacrificed their souls and lives in the process? you can argue that they worship a "man-made" God, but they have the same beliefs that you do.

DebraJMSmith said...

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I just call it what it is----sin.

Debra...

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highboy said...

"Of course ignoring the last, oh 50 years of psychological science."

What science has shown conclusively that homosexuality is anything but abnormal?

"Seriously, though, they the military is justr making excuses. No one can seriously make a good reason why gay people shouldn't be in the military."

Other than their tendency to spread AIDs of course.

Yes Mark, you're always welcome. That is why I sent the link. I knew you'd put it to good use.

kevin said...

There is no reason why a gay man cannot fight in the military except for ignorant people who wish the world were straight. Dream on boys and girls because it will never happen. Gays have always been part of militaries.

And the idea the all gay men are attracted to all straight men is something that straight men have made up in their heads. I find that excuse absolutely hilarious.

I can shoot someone's head off just as good as some straight guy, so what's the big deal? Oh, I guess the problem is that I might see a cute Iraqi guy and fall in love with him and then the war would be over because we would all love each other instead of blowing each other up...Now that would be terrible!

Mark said...

There is no reason why a gay man cannot fight in the military

No arguement there Kevin, until said 'gay' man compromises the military mission. Your a Ph'd, any reason why even in San Fran Colleges and Universities they seperate the boys from the girls that you know of?

so what's the big deal?

The big deal? is the result, Kevin. The results.

Oh, I guess the problem is that I might see a cute Iraqi guy and fall in love with him and then the war would be over because we would all love each other instead of blowing each other up...Now that would be terrible!

ok..man you now sound like Joe Brummer. You want that world? Then make sure your ass gets to heaven, because it don't exist here. Wanna know how to get there? Jesus Christ. Terrible is being without Christ, it's eternal.

I am with Debra, sin is sin!

Yes Mark, you're always welcome

Thanks highboy! what's mine is yours as well! no copywrite here :)

highboy said...

"There is no reason why a gay man cannot fight in the military except for ignorant people who wish the world were straight."

Obviously you've never served. I guess you wouldn't mind a homosexual AIDs victim bleeding all over you on the battlefield? And yes, more homosexuals contract AIDs than anyone. Its unnatural, which is why our beloved military, who fights for our Christian nation, will never agree to enlist gays.

"And the idea the all gay men are attracted to all straight men is something that straight men have made up in their heads. I find that excuse absolutely hilarious."

Your ignorance is astounding. In basic training alone, a gay would spend ALL of his time surrounded by about 90-100 men, for a period of about 3 months. You're telling me that a gay isn't going to get a chubby at all?

"Dream on boys and girls because it will never happen. Gays have always been part of militaries."

Until they are exposed, and then we run their gay asses right into code RE-4, declaring them mentally unstable and unfit for duty.

DebraJMSmith said...

:)

Jody said...

Obviously you've never served...

[H]omosexuals who serve in the military are committed to the military’s core values, which Henderson (1990, p. 108) lists as "fighting skill, professional teamwork, physical stamina, self-discipline, duty (selfless service) and loyalty to unit. (National Defense Research Institute, 1993, p. 312)

Its unnatural, which is why our beloved military, who fights for our Christian nation, will never agree to enlist gays.

The Department of Defense stated in 1992 that its policy prohibiting the service of homosexuals is based not on scientific or empirical data, but on the reasoned judgment of its military leaders and civilian policymakers (GAO, 1992).

Your ignorance is astounding. In basic training alone, a gay would spend ALL of his time surrounded by about 90-100 men...

"[T]here is ample reason to believe that heterosexual and homosexual military personnel can work together effectively" (National Defense Research Institute, 1993, pp. 329-330).

Until they are exposed, and then we run their gay asses right into code RE-4...

In February 2005, the GAO released a reported titled, "Financial Costs And Loss of Critical Skills Due to DOD's Homosexual Conduct Policy Cannot be Completely Estimated." GAO found that the costs... from fiscal year 1994 through fiscal year 2003 totaled at least $190.5 million....Oversights in GAO methodolgy [found] that the total cost of implementing...was [actually] $363.8 million."

...declaring them mentally unstable and unfit for duty.

"Major psychiatric and psychological organizations in the United States disagree with DOD’s policy and believe it to be factually unsupported, unfair, and counterproductive" (GAO, 1992, p. 3).

The big deal? is the result, Kevin. The results.

In a more general review of the available literature on foreign militaries, including the Army Research Institute’s report, Gade et al. (1996) determined that the trend among Western nations was toward removing restrictions on service based on sexual orientation.[45] Gade et al. (1996) found no evidence of "problems with cohesion, morale, recruiting, and retention" (p. 126) for those countries that had eliminated bans to service, even in nations where disruption had been predicted prior to the removal of such prohibitions.

...and...

The GAO researchers noted that 13 Western allied countries allow homosexual men and women to serve in the military without restrictions and officials from the domestic departments that had prohibited discrimination of sexual minorities reported, "they had not experienced any degradation of mission associated with these policies" (GAO, 1992, p. 6).[41]

highboy said...

Yeah Jody, all that research is really compelling. Because we all know that the National Defense Research institute knows much better than the Department of Defense on how best to run a military. What a joke.

highboy said...

"[H]omosexuals who serve in the military are committed to the military’s core values, which Henderson (1990, p. 108) lists as "fighting skill, professional teamwork, physical stamina, self-discipline, duty (selfless service) and loyalty to unit. (National Defense Research Institute, 1993, p. 312)"

If that were the case Jody, they would have honored the stack of paperwork nearly two-feet high (not an exaggeration, I've done it) that they themselves signed promising not to engage in that activity.

highboy said...

Oh, just thought that I'd add the fact that heteroes don't have it much easier, so don't even attempt that argument. Heteros still have to fill out mountains of paperwork stating that they will only engage in one position of vaginal sex while enlisted in the military.

kevin said...

Sorry Highboy--gays have been in militaries since fighting began. Nothing you can do about it and you can't change history--but go ahead and try anyway...


Do I want someone with AIDS bleeding all over me? The correct question is: do I want anyone at all bleeding on me? Absolutely not.

And why do you ask if I have served??? If you haven't noticed, I am gay, and in case you haven't heard, I am not allowed to serve my country...

Would I serve? Of course I would--but it would have to be under the right circumstances, like what happened in WWII--but not in Iraq.

Mark--I'm not sure what you are talking about in terms of separation in universities--are you talking about bathrooms? Those places have nothing to do with sex (at least not in my world), so the separation in bathrooms is more based on modesty than anything else. And I have been to places where males and females share the same bathrooms--big deal.

highboy said...

"And why do you ask if I have served??? If you haven't noticed, I am gay, and in case you haven't heard, I am not allowed to serve my country..."

According to you, being gay doesn't stop people from enlisting. A few sentences and you've already contradicted yourself.

kevin said...

Highboy--I did not in any way, shape or form contradict myself. I am not one of those scared gay men who hide in the closet--there is no way I am going to be quiet about who I am in order to serve this country. Therefore I cannot serve because I will not be silenced. If they don't want me because I am gay and believe that that is a bigger threat than fighting terrorism, or the Nazis or whatever--so be it.

Yes, there are gay and lesbians who are serving this country, but they are afraid to say who they really are or pretend to be something they are not. Sad, but maybe for them serving their country is more important than facing the wrath of some dolts in the Pentagon. It is sad when a group of people are fighting for the rights of others when they are not allowed the same rights themselves...