2006 Dumb Ass quote of the year winner!
Pictured:
Kittredge Cherry, left, and her partner Audrey on Kitt’s ordination day.
Week of June 4 - 10, 2006
"Who was Jesus' mystery lover? Maybe it was Mary Magdalene, like the movie says. But pioneering scholars say that Jesus had a male lover. . . .
"Let's take back Jesus. The success of The Da Vinci Code shows that Jesus belongs to the people, not just to sex-negative churches. In particular, the gay Jesus empowers gays and lesbians who turned away from spirituality because of the Religious Right."
- Kittredge Cherry, lesbian author and founder of JesusInLove.org, "the first website to focus on the queer Christ."
What a handsome couple they make!
I gotta tell ya, her partner looks a lot like Ms. Garrison, fomerly known as Mr. Garrison to a class of unfortunate third graders.
"Our mother Jesus gives birth to a new creation and we are his children."
- The Rt. Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori, ECUSA Presiding Bishop-elect, in her first sermon at General Convention
Week of January 1 -7, 2006
"Before the tsunami, many Buddhists thought that Christians were trying to convert the Buddhists by our social service. But our tsunami relief work has started removing that fear."
- The Rev. Lesley Weerasinghe, Methodist pastor in the southern port city of Galle, Sri Lanka, where more than 4,000 people perished during the tsunami of December 2004.
"Jesus was an illegal alien and that ought to shape how we enter the current debate. But too often political ideology clouds good theology."
- Rev. Shaun Casey, assistant professor of Christian ethics at Wesley Theological Seminary
posted by Mark @ 12/19/2006 11:05:00 AM
29 comments
29 Comments:
Mark--I'm not sure if making fun of how someone looks in a picture helps whatever statement you are trying to make.
Regarding the first one, it's interesting how some people feel that since they have no sexual control, that every being including the King of Glory must also share in their evil temptation.
Regarding the second, it's just stupid.
Regarding the third, if they want to play like Jesus was an illegal alien, than he, Hillary Clinton and all others playing that game should keep some illegals in their homes. If that's some revelation they see, than how come they don't act on it and put the illegals in their house to sleep on their furniture?
yeh I added another second place honor Darnell.
"Before the tsunami, many Buddhists thought that Christians were trying to convert the Buddhists by our social service. But our tsunami relief work has started removing that fear."
The "dumb ass" part of that quote is? Looks to me like this pastor is saying that before the Tsunami, missionaries were looked at with great wariness by the predominate religion in that area. But because of the social work the missionaries are involved in and were involved in during the relief effort, that wariness and suspision has come down. Isn't any effort that helps raise the profile of Christianity a good thing...particularly among people who view Westerners and Christians with a jaundiced eye?
j.
Darnell, I suggest you read Lev. 19:33-34 "When an alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress him. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt: I am the Lord your God." Now how do you think you should treat aliens and how should this country treat aliens, especially those who want to use religion in public policy???
Kevin,
Does the word illegal mean anything to you?
How many illegals are staying at your house? and why do you keep using the Bible to reinforce your points? Has there been a revelation in your life that I am unaware of?
jonathan,
that quote does not fully qualify as dumb ass status. That only went to Kittredge Cherry, the queer christ queen.
The quote you reference is an honorable mention. I do see your point however. It just seemed to me a funny / ironic thing to say.
I am not sure exactly what you mean by raise the profile of Christianity nor would I feel comfortable about any effort as you put it, so I can't answer.
Mark:
When I was growing up, my dad pastored a church in Northern California that ran a homeless shelter. The Director of the shelter said that to be able to meet the heart needs, it was necessary to first meet the physical needs. So we fed and clothed these people and then they were presented the Gospel message.
By meeting the physical needs, particularly in countries where other religions are predominate, often that opens the door to allow the opportunity to meet the spiritual needs. This is what I meant by the "raise the profile" statement.
j.
Isn't any effort that helps raise the profile of Christianity a good thing...
By meeting the physical needs, particularly in countries where other religions are predominate, often that opens the door to allow the opportunity to meet the spiritual needs. This is what I meant by the "raise the profile" statement.
Sure! That sounds just fine. Thats's sort of why the Pastors comment was funny becuase his/her goal is indeed to convert / share the gospel of Christ by using the social services..tending to the immediate physical needs.
Mark, yes, I am well aware of what 'illegal' means. Do you know how that applies to, say, the timeperiod that the Old Testament was written? Illegal is a name we have given to these people. These same people from the OT would be considered illegal as well. Would you kick them out despite what the OT has said? And being a Christian yourself, and believing in the Old Testament, you should be asking yourself how many aliens are on your own couch...
And I can use any of the verses from the Old and New Testaments to prove a point. Just because I am not Christian does not mean that I can't and it does not mean that the texts are off limits to myself. If Darnell isn't familiar with the texts, then I am more than happy to point out passages that he might not be aware of. He did not seem to be aware of the passage from Leviticus that deals with the treatment of aliens.
No Kevin, you have missed the Biblical point of aliens. Were these aliens breaking any laws, did they leave or were they forced to leave their homes? Or were they strangers perhaps in a strange land that should be treated with God's grace? Naturally you have chosen to ignore the light once again. The verses and the ones before 33,34 speak of the care we should give the vulnerable and weak. Do you understand that Kevin?
Now, if you want to take the leap and compare Lev 19 to supporting Open Boarders, allowing people to stay here illegally, pay for their health care, their education, feel free. Doesn't seem fair to all the others who came here legally now does it?
and to answer your question, yes I would kick out anyone here illegally, hence the word illegal. If you have a problem with that, work to change the law. Stop drawing ridiclous conclusions about how caring we are of those in need.
The mere fact you are posting this article. Calling people "dumb ass" having a post at the cost of others show me again, you can talk the talk of being a Christian, but you fail to walk the walk.
You should be ashamed, but I know in my heart you are not! If this is the example you set to be like Christ, then I would hate to see what your actions would be if.....
Sorry Mark, but your actions don't make me want to be a Christian, they make me think Christians are hypocrites. I think in your heart you are better than this, but you fail to walk the walk.
Either way this is the time of year to put differences aside and make good will. I hope you and yours have a nice set of holidays! I can only hope for peace on earth, but with you calling people "dumb ass" and other names, my wish for peace gets dull.
Love,
JOE
Ok then, Mark,tell me then, if Jesus had a home where someone visited, and he knew this person was illegally in the country, what would you expect him to do, kick them out, or welcome them into his home, feed them, clothe them, and let them on their way to wherever they were heading?
Who is talking about 'open border policy'? God told the Israelites not to abuse aliens or strangers living in their land because, as he reminds them, they were aliens/strangers in Egypt. The meaning of that is pretty clear--and that I understand.
And please tell me in Lev. 19 what verses refer to "the vulnerable and weak" and the care they should receive? You are adding more to this chapter than what is there. If you say the aliens are the vulnerable and the weak, then you will need to tell me how you came to that conclusion.
And people are working on getting the law changed, thankfully, with the new change in the government (although Bush is for aliens becoming legalized who have lived here). So I'll let them change the laws and I'll keep reminding them of the Biblical texts that they like to ignore when they disagree.
"how come they don't act on it and put the illegals in their house to sleep on their furniture?"
You mean the White Houses' furniture. Hillary stole it remember?
"Darnell, I suggest you read Lev. 19:33-34"
Kevin, you're not attempting to use OT Leviticus to somehow validate that welcoming illegals is Christian are you? Because if you are, then you no doubt recognize the Leviticus passage that deals with stoning homosexuals?
Kevin also seems to forget that there is a difference between "alien" and "illegal alien". Duh.
And for the record, if you want to do the Christian thing, you are more than free to go to Mexico and meet their needs. That way you can meet their needs and still obey the laws of our country, which is another teaching in the Bible. Read Romans. So how about it? Ready to get that truck of food and go to Mexico? No? If not, why? Are you worried that you can't do it? Not feasible? Yet the poor downtrodden Mexicans are fitting 300 little guys into the trunk of a car, tunneling under the ground, floating in on car doors. Yet you are unwilling to drive to the border, show an ID, and help them out. Way to look out for your fellow man.
Well, if we are going to use Lev. 19 in this way, I must point out something. The aliens were expected to follow the law of the land, in this case God's religious law. For example they were expected to keep the Sabbath, no matter their religious affiliation. (Exodus 20:8-10; take special note of the end of Exodus 10.) In fact in Nehemiah threatened to lay hands on a group of foreign merchants who refused to obey the Sabbath law. (Nehemiah 13:16-21)
I suspect these aliens were also eligible for stoning if they were convicted of breaking the law. Deportation would be a much better fate than stoning.
We have laws concerning how one legally enters our country. Those laws were written with an expectation of enforcement.
Dr. Kevin asks..
And please tell me in Lev. 19 what verses refer to "the vulnerable and weak" and the care they should receive?
“Stand up in the presence of the elderly, and show respect for the aged. Fear your God. I am the Lord."
“Do not insult the deaf or cause the blind to stumble. You must fear your God; I am the Lord."
“Do not make your hired workers wait until the next day to receive their pay."
"It is the same with your grape crop—do not strip every last bunch of grapes from the vines, and do not pick up the grapes that fall to the ground. Leave them for the poor and the foreigners living among you. I am the Lord your God."
ok Kevin? I did not say that is the whole chapter's topic, I said that refering to "Do not take advantage of foreigners who live among you in your land". They would be vulnerable, as we should remember we all are as well, especially before God.
you also ask If you say the aliens are the vulnerable and the weak, then you will need to tell me how you came to that conclusion.
I do not need to do anything for you Kevin. I am not your student. The fact you ask such a question is another example of your willingness to embrace darkness with the light right in front of you. What part of being a stranger in a foreign land would leave you to think they are not vulnerable?
Chase aka Josiah asks
if Jesus had a home where someone visited, and he knew this person was illegally in the country, what would you expect him to do, kick them out, or welcome them into his home, feed them, clothe them, and let them on their way to wherever they were heading?
Nice diversion Chase. I do not respond to what Jesus would do questions, I will respond to what did He do. That said, I would not deny any basic human need to anyone, including an illegal, a person in jail, or my enemy. I will also take it a step further, I would go out of my way to help one in those basic needs and at my cost both personal and financial.
Joe,
You really know which buttons of mine to push, don't you? I would like nothing more than for you and Kevin (among many others) to come to accept Christ as Lord of your lives, all of it. I am not however, responsible for your salvation. If you make my shortcomings, or anyone elses, an excuse not to come to Christ, you and you alone will be responsible for that choice before God. Like I told you before, I will not call an ass, a dove. Nor will I call evil, holy.
Perhaps dumbass is a poor choice of words, but it gets the message out in lay man's terms, and I am indeed a lay man with the tendency to use overly spiced language.
Merry Christmas to you too!
#1 dumb ass quote of the year, was Mark's quote to me.
"The only one corrupting religion, is you."
Mark, your hate blinds you from reality. I'm honored to give you the win for the #1 dumb ass quote of the year.
Hi Mark,
Here we have just another example of finite persons attempting to make Christ into THEIR own image!
These lesbian "clergy" people are themselves caught up in a lie and are attempting to include Jesus in their lie! They are guilty of leading others astray through their heresy and apostasy! The book of Jude clearly warns us about such people!
Note, especially these verses from Jude:
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about* by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
Jud 1:15 "to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."
Jud 1:16 These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage.
Jud 1:17 But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Jud 1:18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
Doesn't that last verse perfectly describe these lesbian "clergy"?!!
Go here to read about another totally ridiculous scheme by people whose intention is to try and make the Lord into "THEIR own image" by creating a blasphemous 'version' of the Bible which ultimately results in committing heresy and apostasy!! OK, so now we have the 'gay' Jesus version, and the 'female' Jesus version...I shudder to think what is next!!
Christine
Amen Christine! and thanks for those additional links!
Mr. Mark, you need to take a chill pill. No, you are not my student. I doubt you would want to take a class on your own religion, which is too bad because I think your viewpoint would expand and your viewpoint would be welcome in a class, except for the ridiculous statement that I am for darkness (I've studied dualistic religions, and I ain't part of them). You seem to act as if everyone that is against your statements are out to get you. Well, I can't speak for others, but I certainly am not. You put up your posts knowing what kind of responses you are going to get--so why does it surprise you that people disagree with you?
By the way, I don't consider the elderly, the blind and the deaf vulnerable or weak. Now the poor starving person who has to eat leftovers from a field--now that person I would consider vulnerable and weak. So I stand corrected--there is at least one group in Lev. 19 that is vulnerable and weak.
And Highboy--you are supposedly the one studying for the ministry, not me. You go help the poor--isn't that part of doing what you are supposed to be doing?
Mark said...
Kevin,
Does the word illegal mean anything to you?
How many illegals are staying at your house? and why do you keep using the Bible to reinforce your points? Has there been a revelation in your life that I am unaware of?
HAHAHAHAHA!!! He backed you into a corner you fucking hypocrite.
I like how you pick and choose out of the power. You call yourself a Christian. Why don't you shut the fuck up and evolve already...
Kevin
You can't convince a fundy... They are right no matter what. The facts don't matter to them. People like this we must just play with them and show them how dumb their logic is. and then hope one day natural selection will take care of them.
I like how you pick and choose out of the power. You call yourself a Christian. Why don't you shut the fuck up and evolve already...
and yet a new contender for steps forward for Dumb ass honors..
oh Ms Independence, I consider Kevin a friend, although we disagree. That may come has a surprise to your monkey brain wisdom.
banana?
Professor Kevin,
No offense man, but it would be a love of the darkness IMHO, that keeps you from seeing the light of truth, the life giving light of Christ. I'll leave it at that for now.
By the way, I don't consider the elderly, the blind and the deaf vulnerable or weak.
I do Kevin. Probably because I realize Man is indeed evil by nature to different human observable degrees. (We are born into sin after the fall of Adam) Vulnerable, does not mean of no value, as others would support based on human wisdom and a flawed human hiarchy. Perhaps knowing your many God given gifts, the blind, elderly, and deaf for instance, would take on a different understanding for you.
Would you walk a blind man you 'hate' to the edge of a cliff?
Would you break open the door of a deaf man to steal from him?
Would you disgard an elderly person even if it was legal?
There are many sins only you know about, but God sees all, is my point. Personal conduct reaches far beyond what our fellow man sees and hears, for it is God who knows us when no man is watching.
Hey Mark--I see your point. I know that some horrible people treat the elderly and so on in a terrible way, and I guess that really does make them vulnerable. I was thinking only of the person, and not the actions of others.
Yup. Calling people "dumb asses": VERY "Christian" of you.
And making fun of their looks: also very Christian. Way to nail your point, whatever it was.
Yup. Calling people "dumb asses": VERY "Christian" of you.
And making fun of their looks: also very Christian. Way to nail your point, whatever it was.
quakerboy,
You looking to be another contender for the 2006 dumbass award? btw Dave, when you want to tell me how to speak and what words to use to describe swine like behavior, pick a Bible verse. Otherwise, go watch your fellow man be murdered with your thumb up your ass and justify that to whom ever it is you serve, k? dumbass.
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