Friday, June 15, 2007

When 'social responsibility' trumps Biblical authority

DNC chairman Howard Dean in Reno, NV

"I haven't seen gay marriage in the Bible once," Dean said in the keynote address at a Democratic fundraiser at a Reno hotel-casino.

"But I've seen a lot about helping people who are poor and including people and not leaving anybody behind," he said. "Those are core values of the Democratic Party and they also are core values of an awful lot of evangelicals."

Rick Warren, a best-selling author and pastor at a Southern California church, is an example of an evangelical leader who is setting aside "those things that divide us" and doing things "that bring people together — things that really are in the Bible," Dean said. He said those priorities include fighting poverty, global warming and the bloodshed in Darfur.

Let me be very clear, Satan likes nothing more than to be mistaken for God. If any follower of Christ believes that any materialistic goals are more important to God than ones's mind and heart, they are mistaking Satan's goals for God's. Without deminishing the physical needs of a hurting world, that should never be a disciple's primary goal. To say a good 'evangelical leader' is one who stops speaking about those things that divide and only those things that 'bring people to together' is a man inspired truth, not God inspired. Our Lord most assurdely divided during His walk among us on earth. He also united us all in the fact that none of us, on our own, will or can be saved without following Him and His commands. Yes, you must die to yourself and to this world's offerings and live for Him. That indeed seperates a many hearts and minds, sons and fathers, mothers and daughters, brothers and sisters.

Believe it or not, but many people around the world live in poverty beyond our population's worst nightmares all the while with hearts filled with joy and peace . Satan, however, would much rather pervert the truth than to prevent you and I from hearing the truth. The very truth of God found in His holy word, the Bible.

When Howard Dean tells us what is 'really' in the Bible, we should all shudder. He is perverting the word of God, just as Satan prefers. He is not preventing us from reading and studying it. Nope, Howard Dean and many other Liberal minds are perverting it. II Corinthians chapter 11, verse 13 says: "For such are false prophets, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the Apostles of Christ."

Final thought: What do you think is the number one method Satan uses and spreads like a cancer even from our pulpits every Sunday morning?

He gets people to question and deny the authority of scripture! Genesis 3, Did God really say that? are you sure God really ment that? The very armor, and only armor that protects us from such false doctrine and teachings. How clever, eh?

As long as you think feeding, clothing, and holding hands across america at the cost of scriptural authority is a good thing, you remain a willfull perverter of God's truth in Satan's control.



20 comments:

Josiah said...

I find it ironic, Mark, that if this were a conservative Christian making the remarks, you would have no problem with it. There is nothing offensive or manipulative in what he has said.

Joe said...

anyone who has a differing view of the bible than Mark seems to be deemed "satan". Many Christians are saying the same thing about Mark's beliefs about the bible. You cannot all be right.

Mark said...

anyone who has a differing view of the bible than Mark seems to be deemed "satan"

joe, you are a well known liar. Please show where I have ever called anyone satan?

Many Christians are saying the same thing about Mark's beliefs about the bible.

You mean many self professed 'christians' that also deny the authority of scripture. I am fine with that. The truth always offends those living in darkness.

Robert Bayn said...

Remember Satan is the best immitator of God. I doubt Howard Dean has a clue about God's word, people like him take bits and pieces and claim to know what the Bible says!

The Merry Widow said...

Shakespeare said that the devil quotes Scriptures for his own purposes, case in point!
The Bible is not an all you can eat buffet, it's a meal served with the expectation that you eat every bite!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!

tmw

Josiah said...

Is the truth of more value when it is told by a king than a thief? Is the matter of who is saying it make it more or less true? Is it not true that the bible says to help the poor and less fortunate? Did he pervert anything by saying that God would have us help the poor? God can have anyone as a vessel.

Mark said...

Is the truth of more value when it is told by a king than a thief?

When the King is Jesus, yes.

Is it not true that the bible says to help the poor and less fortunate?

Poor meaning poor in Spirit, yes. Give them the bread of life, god's word.
Less forunate meaning those in need, yes. Will that bring salvation to anyone, NO!

Did he pervert anything by saying that God would have us help the poor?

Yes he did! The same way folks along our Lord's walk here on earth thought doing good would save them from Hell. Helping others is one thing, to say helping others is Biblical in the sense you are gaining God's approval is bullshit from Hell's prince...Satan. It takes the focus off God and our need for repentance.

God has one desire, save the lost. Even Herod gave to the poor.

Josiah said...

Well, you certainly compared the man to Satan at least Mark. Which you must admit is something you have done before to people who disagreed with you.

Are you saying God wouldn't have you and find in favor the fact of you helping the poor physically, and not just in spirit?

I don't know Satan personally, but I doubt he's raring to go help the poor. He just never struck me as the charitable type, and my apologies to him and the wife and kids if I'm wrong. Perhaps he's in UNICEF or something.

Even if you are the "spiritual needs fufilled is much more important" type of man, the logic of not helping them physically is practically nonexistant. After all, who would the common man rather listen to: the secularist who gives him food, water, or shelter, or the Christian who gives him nothign but his testimony?

Mark said...

Well, you certainly compared the man to Satan at least Mark. Which you must admit is something you have done before to people who disagreed with you.

Bullshit. Quote me where I have. You seem to confuse those speaking out against celebrating acts against God. Your accustaion does not surprise me at all.

I don't know Satan personally,

That's your first problem Chase. In reality you do know Him personally, He rules your life as we speak. You have denied God's word and God's authority by your comments here.

After all, who would the common man rather listen to: the secularist who gives him food, water, or shelter, or the Christian who gives him nothign but his testimony?

The common man would rather be fed, clothed, and have a nice house on a hill overlooking a pretty ocean. The uncommon man would follow Christ and His teachings. You Chase, remain a citizen of this world, not God's Kingdom with that thinking.

Tell me Chase, what did Christ say about this world and its offerings? You will of course need to dust off you Bible to answer.

DebraJMSmith said...

Mark, we are so like minded. I totally agree with your post.

Satan would like nothing more than for people to find the wolf, offering the poor person a cookie, to be friendly and helpful.

Why do people think that God needs Satan to feed people?

Great post...
Debra...

Mark said...

Hi Debra!
What bothers me most, the likes of Howard Dean's party protect the killing of babies, love the religion of relativism, promote the global warming lie, fight tooth and nail against abstinence programs, support 'hate speech' laws, and have the nerve to even mention scripture! Yet so many 'good' folks eat it up like manna falling from the heavens. Fools and false doctrine!

DebraJMSmith said...

Hi Mark...


Yes, I agree with you.


And did you hear about Michael Moore's "Biblical" talk on "The View" this morning?


He tried to get away with telling a Christian guest-host that government health care would not be socialism, but rather "Christianism."


He said that Jesus would want us to take care of the poor and needy, that what we do for them, we do for Jesus.


The Christian lady said to him that he was wrong. She told him that Jesus tells us to personally help people, not get into the pockets of others to do it; which is what our government wants to do. (She said something to that meaning. She did a great job.)


Debra...

Mark said...

Debra,

He tried to get away with telling a Christian guest-host that government health care would not be socialism, but rather "Christianism."

Humm, BS indeed. Same basic talk track as Hitler, the China Red Guard etc used ... Until people realize the truth is not based on feeding the poor, making our lives as comfortable as possible, what's Right for me may not be Right for you mentality, there will always be someone selling us a lie. History is filled with such perversion of truth.

With Moore's logic all human's that don't meet his and our society's standards of the Good Life could be disposed of. Govt run healthcare? Yeh, that's just what we need.

Josiah said...

For one, Mark, May 18, 2006. I believe you compared Dan Brown to Satan. So no, not bullshit, I'm afraid.
Mark, again, what have we said about attacking the person instead of the argument?

Mark, Christians are not here to reach the uncommon man who already is willing to accept God and is already doing so. They are here to reach the ones who don't know him, who's main worry right now isn't about what will happen to their soul but whether there will be food in the fridge tomorrow, if they even have that. And if they're not poor, well, whether they can repair relationships with parents, balancing work and family......If you don't personally help these people, you're a hypocrite if you call yourself a Christian.

Mark said...

For one, Mark, May 18, 2006. I believe you compared Dan Brown to Satan.

I don't even know who 'Dan Brown' is? I have only said people are following Satan's ways. Never called anyone Satan.

Mark, again, what have we said about attacking the person instead of the argument?

I must be punished.

If you don't personally help these people, you're a hypocrite if you call yourself a Christian.

Your first false assumption is that being poor equals being unhappy. Big mistake Chase.

Lastly I am a 'hypocrite', and so are you and all folks. I will help my neighbor in need. I do not support taking from others to give it away all in the name of Christ. That requires nothing of the heart. It only requires a Govt official adopting a socialist agenda. Remember the China Red Guard? I do.

Josiah said...

The writer of the Da Vinchi Code, Mark. You mentioned him yourself. And you compared him. I never said you called him.

We're not talking about taking things from anyone! We're talking about people, not only through their duty as Christians, but as human beings to personally volunteer their time and money to help others!

Mark, people hardly ever CHOOSE to be poor. People who are poor, usually aren't happy about the fact that they're poor. I'm not saying they're unhappy in general, but I would be unhappy with my economic state if I didn't have enough to feed my family, wouldn't you?

And what the heck does this have to do with socialism? The man didn't say he was going to take tax money and give it directly to the poor. He only said they need to be helped in some way, and Democrats at large carry these values. That's not socialism, it's a government official saying his party supports humanitarianism.

Mark said...

We're not talking about taking things from anyone!

Then do tell. Who's money?

We're talking about people, not only through their duty as Christians, but as human beings to personally volunteer their time and money to help others!

Did you just say duty as Christians?? Tell me Chase, which parts of Christ's commands do you accept and which do you disregard? For instance, does Christ give His blessings on two men who have sexual relations? I'll need a Bible verse to help
me.

And what the heck does this have to do with socialism?

Does 'it takes a village to raise a child' ring a bell? Man I could on and on, but time does not allow.

it's a government official saying his party supports humanitarianism.

Perhaps if you would define humanitarianism for me, I'd be happy to gently spoon feed you the truth once again. :) & If that is true, the why would Dean mention the Bible? Is killing babies with our tax dollars humanitarianism at work?

Josiah said...

I don't remember Christ really going around blessing much. It's not like there's a list of it.

The money of the people who, as wealthier human beings, are actually doing what the majority of the population should be doing in the first place.

Socialism, in the case you mention, Mark, is around in trace amounts, but no more than the American mixed economy does. Any nation that uses taxes is going to have elements of socialism, only because the two share one detail.

Mark, you seem to have an eternal struggle with keeping on subject! And humanitarianism is the dedication to taking a sympathetic, helpful approach to easing the pains of humanity.

Mark said...

Mark, you seem to have an eternal struggle with keeping on subject! And humanitarianism is the dedication to taking a sympathetic, helpful approach to easing the pains of humanity.

Actually I don't Chase. You seem to have a problem with absolutes. You have not answered one question I have asked in many posts.

If easing the pains of humanity is possible by accepting what Christ has rejected, will you you support it?

Josiah said...

Yes, I do have a problem with absolutes, since I, with a few exceptions, don't believe in them. Absolutes have a tendency to oversimplify complex issues into simple questions that ignre many of the most important aspects of a subject.

Even the last one oversimplifies things. You have to look at the degrees of things. Would you support America imprisoning other religions if it turned people to Christ?