Monday, July 02, 2007

Feel the pride 2007


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...and they want to do what in our public schools?

29 comments:

~Deb said...

Hi my little little rooster...

Listen, I totally agree with you on this post. I absolutely detest these gay pride parades, because it makes the gay and lesbian community look like a bunch of low class pervs.

Totally on your side with this!

Your hen,
Deb

~Deb said...

P.S. Can you puulllleeeaaaassseeeee get that woman a bra ASAP!!! That's just GOD awful! That IS a sin! I would love to attend one of these functions with you & Dani! haha! We'd have so much fun!

Robert Bayn said...

What ever happen to the hot dyke's?

haha!

Fat chicks with their breast hanging out, dosen't do much for anyone, except maybe a few lesbos i guess.

~Deb said...

Doesn't do it for me, especially when they display their nakedness in pure daylight like that.

Kevin said...

I have tried to hold myself back from commenting here, but I have to respond to Deb, who said:

"I absolutely detest these gay pride parades, because it makes the gay and lesbian community look like a bunch of low class pervs."

If I recall, you have never been to a Pride parade. So what you detest is what you are selectively being shown. As I said in my email to you months ago, you should really go to one because you would not detest them. You only detest what some peole have shown you. I have friends who march in these parades and for you to call them 'low-class pervs' is just ridiculous and extremely demeaning, especially since you have never been to one.

Pride for me is being proud that I have overcome these anti-gay activists and their ideas on what gays and lesbians are. Pride for me is being able to confront these people with respect (because I do respect their views even when they are calling for taking away my rights) as well as with knowledge. For you to say that you would love to go to a pride parade with Dani and Mark and make fun of gays and lesbians who are PROUD of who they are is, um, shameful. Sorry. Do you like being made fun of for who you are? I doubt it. I seriously hope that you were joking and I hope that you state that you were joking and publically apologize for all those people (who you don't know) who fight to make sure you have equal rights. I'm sure there are some of your readers on your blog who would not appreciate you calling them 'low-class pervs.'
I for one make sure I go to every Pride festival I can get to. We need to support one another, not bite each other's backs and make fun what what we don't understand. My favorite part of the pride parade is the Dykes on Bikes. I don't know why, except it fills me with joy to see women who could care less about patriarchal society and who could care less what other people think about them. There is power there--and I support them 100%.

And Robert, why is it that you and your friends continually make fun of fat people (like continually calling Rosie a 'whale'), when you yourself have stated that you are overweight? I don't think that is such a good way to deal with people you disagree with

Boy, I guess Deb's comment just hit me the wrong way! Sorry Mark...

Mark said...

I do not speak for Deb, but I do indeed speak.

Kevin comments Pride for me is being proud that I have overcome these anti-gay activists and their ideas on what gays and lesbians are.

What does God think? Hint: we are all sinners. The great divide happens when one embraces (takes pride) in that which seperates us from God.

If I recall, you have never been to a Pride parade.

One does not need to be a biblical scholar to have the print of God's word and truth upon their heart and act accordingly.

you should really go to one because you would not detest them.

As you may know, I have lived in the DC area for over 20 years. I have been to the parades. I would not suggest anyone go unless you enjoy feeling pain in your heart, desire a fallen world's celebration of death, or a face to face contact with a false joy in pure evil at its best; a life committed to a lie. Exception, proclaim the grace of Christ to all willing to listen.


For you to say that you would love to go to a pride parade with Dani and Mark and make fun of gays and lesbians who are PROUD of who they are is, um, shameful.


I believe Deb was being sarcastic. I would make fun of no one on a path towards eternal Hell. Rebuke? yes. Take joy? no.

I'm sure there are some of your readers on your blog who would not appreciate you calling them 'low-class pervs.'

...as some don't 'like' being called swine, fools, and other such non tolerant words.

We need to support one another, not bite each other's backs and make fun what what we don't understand.

Of course you do. Do you not realize satan is never happy with just one? Satan hates man, he hates God would saved man! Now sit back and watch man respond to Christ, giving all glory to God! Nothing pisses off satan more than a man giving his life to God. That my freind is Godly love you both would do well to understand. There is indeed 'something' worth dieing for..God's truth. It's all we have that is absolute.

I don't know why, except it fills me with joy to see women who could care less about patriarchal society and who could care less what other people think about them. There is power there--and I support them 100%.

Same thing Jesus did with children and women. Your problem, you desire and take pleasure in human power, so did those who held the patriarchal rule of law. The very same 'feelings' that bring you joy.

And Robert, why is it that you and your friends continually make fun of fat people (like continually calling Rosie a 'whale'), when you yourself have stated that you are overweight? I don't think that is such a good way to deal with people you disagree with

The same reason I call people asswipes I suspect. Rob knows he is a load. I know I am a load. Rosie doesn't. Plus she is a lard ass, and Rob tells it like it is. Even if I agreed with Rosie, I'd still call her a lard-ass, she just would know it was a term of affection at that point in our hypothetical reltionship. Even in the gospel of Mark, he is pretty hard on the others, no?

Boy, I guess Deb's comment just hit me the wrong way! Sorry Mark...

No need to say sorry Kevin. Deb pisses me off too. lol. Ya can't help but love her honesty, walk, etc... well maybe not. :)

Robert Bayn said...

Kevin, it's called Humor, you know "HAHA", besides as a lard ass, it's my right to make fun of fat people, but if thin people do it, i might eat them for dinner!

Spoke said...

Love God, love your neighbor. Would you hang around with these people for a little while, or crucify them straight away?
I think Jesus hung out with this type of lost soul and scoulded the religious right. What gets us into Glory? JESUS...accepting Him. What eliminates our chances? Denial of His Deity and sacrificial work on the cross.
Jesus NEVER rallied the troops against anyone! No picket lines, no anti-? commitees..
Who needs a clue?

Mark said...

Would you hang around with these people for a little while, or crucify them straight away?

hang around with them. 'These' people are the world spoke.

and scoulded the religious right

Why do you use such divisive language spoke? There was a 'religious right' during our Lord's walk on earth? Perhaps a better term would be hyprocrites or brood of vipers.


Jesus NEVER rallied the troops against anyone! No picket lines, no anti-? commitees..

Nor am I. You are correct Spoke, when Christ proclaimed the truth and He was rejected, He moved on and continued His ministry.

Who needs a clue?

excatly!

~Deb said...

Kevin,

” Do you like being made fun of for who you are? I doubt it. I seriously hope that you were joking and I hope that you state that you were joking and publically apologize for all those people (who you don't know) who fight to make sure you have equal rights. I'm sure there are some of your readers on your blog who would not appreciate you calling them 'low-class pervs.'

For your information, I did go to a gay pride parade quite recently, and have found that the people who march in these – (40 % I will say) display profanity picket signs, as seen in these photos, they tear off their clothes and I have seen two guys engaging in sexual acts on a truck that was passing by in the parade.

It makes “us” look bad. Why do you have to insinuate that I am making fun of all gays and lesbians? I’m not. I’m upset, because many people think that my girlfriend and I are the same way, taking off our shirts in public and acting out as if promiscuity was a ‘good thing’.

And, the word PRIDE is negative. It’s to be “proud”, “arrogant”. I don’t want any part of that. It sickens me. What would you do if you were behind a car that had a bumper sticker that said, “PROUD AND OUT TO BE HETEROSEXUAL!”? I’d bet that would rile you up a bit, huh?

I’ve been to a parade recently, so don’t think you know me fully. They display themselves in a perverted nature.

I don’t want part in that. Go ahead and ruin the reputation of all homosexuals. There are some of us who wish not to partake in such an event. March with dignity and not disgrace.

And yes, I said in jest that I would take Dani and Mark out to one of these. It was a joke. Without humor during these types of conversations, it gets old.

This is not the first time you have criticized something I have written. It's my opinion...deal with it. Don't read my comments, nor my blog if it offends you. It's that simple.

Ease up!

Robert Bayn said...

First Jesus would interact with Homosexuals, and he would tell them as he told many other people who were involved in Sin, "Sin No More".

Furthermore to understand the 'Religious Right' of Jesus day, is to know what these people did was say one thing and do another, so if Mark or anyone else, was engaging in Sexually Immoral behaviour, you could say he was a hypocrite, but if he is not, than the term is invalid. From speaking with Mark on many occasions, Mark's only flaw is cursing, and if he ran around telling people not to curse and he cursed, than he would be a hypocrite, but calling something a sin that is clearly identified as a Sin in both the Old and New Testament, is not being a Hypocrite, it is a matter of telling truth.

The Religious Right is really codeword for people of Faith who follow God's Word for what it says, and not what they want to believe it says. The real hypocrisy of the Religious Right, would be those who use God to promote a political agenda, and they sin worse than Satan himself, if you are talking about that, than I'm on your side, however not all those who are on the right and people of faith are hypocrites, to lump them all together is a failure to understand the complex issue of Faith and Politics.

Maybe your real problem is Mark's aggression of this issue, me and Mark do not totally agree with his method, or way of interacting with Homosexuals, but he does have his heart in the right place.

Mark said...

wipping a tear from me eye...;) thanks Rob!

First, I will be the first to acknowledge I am a hyprocrite. The difference, I realize that, and would never celebrate it. I do battle with my sins, I do not call them Holy.

Second, God has used the worst of worst men to proclaim His word. No man need be perfect to live his life under the headship of Christ.

Mark's only flaw is cursing,

My wife would take issue with this I am sure. :)

Robert Bayn said...

Next time I will have to speak with her, so I can get some dirt!

haha!

~Deb said...

Robert, refer to this scripture:

“Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman”

"One of the Pharisees asked Jesus to come to his home for a meal, so Jesus accepted the invitation and sat down to eat. A certain immoral woman heard he was there and brought a beautiful jar filled with expensive perfume. Then she knelt behind him at his feet, weeping. Her tears fell on his feet, and she wiped them off with her hair. Then she kept kissing his feet and putting perfume on them. When the Pharisee who was the host saw what was happening and who the woman was, he said to himself, “This proves that Jesus is no prophet. If God had really sent him, he would know what kind of woman is touching him. She’s a sinner!” Then Jesus spoke up and answered his thoughts. “Simon,” he said to the Pharisee, “I have something to say to you.” “All right. Teacher,” Simon replied, “go ahead.” Then Jesus told him this story: “A man loaned money to two people—five hundred pieces of silver to one and fifty pieces to the other. But neither of them could repay him, so he kindly forgave them both, canceling their debts. Who do you suppose loved him more after that?” Simon answered, “I suppose the one for whom he canceled the larger debt.” “That’s right,” Jesus said. Then he turned to the woman and said to Simon, “Look at this woman kneeling here. When I entered your home, you didn’t offer me water to wash the dust from my feet, but she has washed them with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You didn’t give me a kiss of greeting, but she has kissed my feet again and again from the time I first came in. You neglected the courtesy of olive oil to anoint my head, but she has anointed my feet with rare perfume. I tell you, her sins—and they are many—have been forgiven, so she has shown me much love. But a person who is forgiven little shows only little love. Then Jesus said to the woman, “Your sins are forgiven.” The men at the table said among themselves, “Who does this man think he is, going around forgiving sins?” And Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace." ~Luke 7:36-50

By faith alone she was saved. Where does it say in this passage that Jesus said, "Go and sin no more!" Faith will save you... Just by believing in Jesus that He's Lord and professing with your mouth, each shall be saved. It's written. :O)

Mark said...

No Deb, her faith was evident in her tears of repentance. The men granted Jesus not even the most basic hopitality at that time and she gave everything.

Where does it say in this passage that Jesus said, "Go and sin no more!"

It says it in another passage Deb John 8:11

Faith and obedience are tied together. Her obedience was giving far above what would have been acceptable to the hyprocrites Jesus was eating with.


Just by believing in Jesus that He's Lord and professing with your mouth, each shall be saved. It's written. :O)

Satan knows who God is. Satan knows Jesus is Lord and Satan can profess that. What doesn't Satan do, that God's children do?

Spoke said...

Hey Mark, you seem to be as obsessed as Deb is on the gay/Christian thing. Your reaction to gay/Christians, which by the way I do not condone,understand or approve of, seems to be an attempt to get attention off of yourself. IF you WERE in the "gay lifestyle" before, God has forgiven you!!(if you've put your life in His hands and asked Him to do so). Now, may I suggest you forgive yourself and move on to more productive things?
If I'm wrong, I'm praying for you anyway!

Mark said...

Spoke,

You're a coward and now apparently God Almighty. lol! "God has forgiven you!!" Save your fantasy land wisdom for someone else. I have a feeling you answer your own prayers.

~Deb said...

It says NOTHING about repentance, by her faith alone, she was saved. Your twisting that scripture my friend... tisk tisk! ;) And, the one who kept the laws (the Pharisee) was the one who didn't show Jesus respect. Hmm, pretty interesting, huh?

Mark said...

..geesh, they didn't keep the law dear. The only twisting is being done in your head.

answer my question please?
Satan knows who God is. Satan knows Jesus is Lord and Satan can profess that. What doesn't Satan do, that God's children do?

~Deb said...

The immoral woman was saved - regardless. She didn't repent. There is not ONE word that she had to.

Why?

Because of her faith in Jesus.

Umm, yeah Satan knows God. Don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Satan doesn't worship Jesus, and Satan doesn't believe that Jesus died for him on the cross. Satan refuses Jesus, whereas people who accept Jesus into their lives are saved----truly accepts Jesus into their hearts.

kevin said...

Deb, I could say quite a bit about your response, but I won't.

However, I will say that no one is above being criticized--even me. I sent you an email about calling a woman 'trailer park lady' (which you apologized for and changed) and one about your misunderstanding about what a Pride parade is all about (since you hadn't been to one). That is it! That wasn't criticizing you. Besides, criticizing someone is the nature of a democracy. If you don't want to be criticized at all, then you will have to stop writing. I will continue to read your comments, and I will continue to criticize them if I feel like I need to. That IS how I deal with it. Your blog (and mine) is FULL of criticizing other people. If it is done respectfully, then there should be no problems. However, calling people names or using stereotypes is a problem.

Finally, there are more definitions of Pride than you have listed. Pride does not have to be a negative thing--it can, but if you think that is the only definition, then you are wrong. Can a mother be proud of her son or her daughter? Is that arrogant or negative? I don't think so. And I've given you my definition of what these Pride parades mean to me. Take it or leave it--I'm happy with either.

There, I've just 'eased up.'

Crassius Maximus said...

Mrak, I appreciate your comment on my comment on Deb's blog. We just view things a lil' differently. I do respect your right to your opinion and your right to go on the net with it. Big ups on dropping a Mr (Mr Maximus) on me, it was a dignified response indeed.

~Deb said...

Pride is a negative word to me. It speaks arrogance. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. I choose not to participate in any of the gay pride marches- and it's much more than a fraction of the gays and lesbians who march around topless, engaging in sexual activities. I've witnessed it.

I'm gay myself, but I don't like to be meshed into the mold of what others think of homosexuals. These people give us a bad name. Don't you see why others think we're perverts? It's by the percentage of people acting like perverts right in broad daylight.

I'm not going to stop writing. Why don't you stop reading? That's your choice whether or not to tap into Mark's blog, or my own. You torture yourself by taking our opinions so personally.

Step away from the computer and tap into a politically correct one- a news source- anything but a blog. It's obvious that you're easily offended, Kevin.

Kevin said...

Deb--In case you didn't know, the pride parades commemorate the Stonewall Riots. There, drag queens, transexuals and gay guys stood up to police brutality and community brutality. The only reason you have the rights you do now is because of them. You might think they are/were perverts because they don't live up to your high standards, but without them, where would you be? You now have the ability to distance yourself from them and live your life and speak out against them and those that wish to celebrate their bravery --but only because of what they did. Remember that when you speak about arrogancy.

~Deb said...

Kevin, the reasons why I have the LACK of rights is because of the perverted ones who make us look like a bunch of promiscuous monkeys running around having sex with everyone. WHAT RIGHTS? My partner and I live very happily with only our friends and family knowing we're gay- however we do not display our sexuality all over the streets, as you would like us to.

Big difference there buddy. Take note. That's why a lot of "us" get discriminated against. If you dress, act, and talk like freaks, you'll be treated like freaks.

It's that simple.

Kevin said...

Deb--you just don't get it. Yes, I do believe it is that 'simple' for you, and that is what is so sad. You seem to think that what you have is what just magically appeared. Read my post again. You have no concept of your own history. You think you have no rights??? Tell that to someone who proudly marched in the late 1960's and got beaten up and jailed--all just so you could sit back and be happy and complain about the very thing that got you where you are today. I will keep fighting for you regardless.

"Perverts, promiscuous, monkeys, low class pervs." Boy, I sometimes have to remind myself that I am not dealing with some of these anti-gay activists and am dealing with a Christian lesbian!

Oh, and in case no one said this to you last month, Happy Pride Month, Deb!

~Deb said...

Keep the "pride", Kevin and see how far your "rights" get you. The people who flaunt their sexuality in the street are the ones who ruin it for us.

And yes, they do make us look like perverts.

The "in your face" gays have made the ones who truly love one another and want a normal relationship a bigger 'abnormality' as they're already seen.

Pride only leads into arrogance. I wish you could see my point of view of why I'm so upset with those who are trying to get rights by flaunting sex. It's degrading.

Spoke said...

How am I God Almighty? I didn't say I HAVE FORGIVEN YOU. You've never wronged me? I can't forgive you for anything outside of our fragile, fractured, cyber relationship, we've never met...or have we?
Hey, are you that guy with the latte the other month???

Kevin said...

Hey Deb--
I hope you and your partner have a nice 4th of July. And you too Mark!