Wednesday, December 12, 2007

Same sex relationships: new and pleasing in God's sight!

Pastor David has and an eight part commentary on homosexuality. His last concluding remarks of Homosexuality #8 is:

My personal position on this—which a critical and dispassionate assessment of scripture indicates—is that the issue is not of central importance. But weaseling out of expressing my opinion would be annoying, so I’ll spit it out. I’m convinced that those who want to set aside the historically dysfunctional and solipsistic homosexual lifestyle and live instead in partnered, covenanted same-sex relationships are doing something new, and that that new thing that is pleasing in God’s sight. That position is drawn from my own observations of partnered gays and lesbians working in ministry. It is reinforced by my wholistic approach to scripture, which places greater emphasis on the central principles it teaches and the Spirit that fills it. (Bold mine).

The Rev David Williams leads the Trinity Presbyterian Church of Bethesda, MD.
I do believe he is sincere in seeking God's truth, but I also know, not believe, he is in error. There is nothing 'pleasing' in God's sight about homosexual relationships. No translational or intellectual gymnastics will replace the clarity of scripture regarding God's design and God's commands regarding sexual purity.

Genesis 2:24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

Just where is the translation confusion here: (btw, a little common sense goes a long way)

Leviticus 20:13 ' If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.'

Indeed, all have sinned and in need of repentance and a savior. Unfortunately Rev. Williams looks at the world, "gays and lesbians working in ministry" to draw his conclusions. That my friends is the last place one leading a church should seek God's truth. A more proper 'wholistic' approach as he puts it, would be God is King, God's is truth, God's word is the final authority. Lordship and obedience are not separate.

Judges Chapter 19:22
While they were celebrating, behold, the men of the city, certain worthless fellows, surrounded the house, pounding the door; and they spoke to the owner of the house, the old man, saying, "Bring out the man who came into your house that we may have relations with him." 23 Then the man, the owner of the house, went out to them and said to them, "No, my fellows, please do not act so wickedly; since this man has come into my house, do not commit this act of folly.24 "Here is my virgin daughter and his concubine. Please let me bring them out that you may ravish them and do to them whatever you wish. But do not commit such an act of folly against this man."25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man seized his concubine and brought her out to them; and they raped her and abused her all night until morning, then let her go at the approach of dawn.

She is brutally raped all night, and left for dead.

27 When her master arose in the morning and opened the doors of the house and went out to go on his way, then behold, his concubine was lying at the doorway of the house with her hands on the threshold.28 He said to her, "Get up and let us go,"but there was no answer. Then he placed her on the donkey; and the man arose and went to his home.29 When he entered his house, he took a knife and laid hold of his concubine and cut her in twelve pieces, limb by limb, and sent her throughout the territory of Israel.30 All who saw it said, "Nothing like this has ever happened or been seen from the day when the sons of Israel came up from the land of Egypt to this day. Consider it, take counsel and speak up!"

I would ask the same today. Consider the utter depravity, wickedness, and sexual unholiness we accept today in complete silence. In fact, many celebrate it, just as Rev Williams does. This is a clear Biblical warning of where we will find ourselves when we allow false teachers into our churches and live our lives like the final verse of this story:

Judges Chapter 21:
25 In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his
own eyes.

Perhaps Rev Williams should remember Jephthah's tragic vow

How often do we think we are doing right in the eyes of God, when in fact we are nothing but paganized Christians making a mockery of God's will? Making idols of the world's wisdom? Proclaiming Christ when it suits are needs, or denying and editing His word so that it fits our modern paganized worldviews?


Beloved Spear said...

I appreciate your response, and recognize the spirit that underlies your concern. However, it would be worthy to note that the comment you reference comes only at the conclusion of an extended series of Bible studies that look in detail at every single passage that relates to same-sex relationships.

I will assume that you have read them...but typifying my response as not deeply rooted in scripture is inaccurate, as your own quotation from my blog indicates.

Mark said...

Pastor Dave,
2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

One of the clearest statements in the Bible that affirm Paul is writing scripture. The NT apostles just as the OT prophets were aware they were writing the word of God. See Th 2:13 13For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.

Please remind yourself, even if we do love those who have same sex attractions that:

1. 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior denounce it as sin in the strongest possible terms.

2. 100% of the verses referencing God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.

3. 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).

4. 0% of the 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions.

I read your series. I mean no disrespect, but you play a intellectual gymnastic's game of translation which cannot replace the clarity of scripture regarding God's word on sexual purity.

but typifying my response as not deeply rooted in scripture is inaccurate

My apologies, not my intention, however, your conclusions are anything but deeply rooted in scripture.

john said...

"Same sex relationships: new and pleasing in God's sight!"

Finally...a headline on this blog that makes sense!!

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Mark said...

And you know this how?...

1. Commonsense
2. Physician's advice
3. Emergency rooms
4. Anatomy 101

Lastly, my question again was, why should anyone believe in your god and what your god says is true or false, good or bad, holy or evil?