Monday, March 17, 2008

The clarity of false teachers

This statement by Pastor Dave of the Trinity Presbyterian Church of Bethesda, MD in regards to homosexuality being holy before God and most assuredly not condemned in the strongest possible language in the Biblical texts;

But explorations of the complexity and depth of Scripture are not the friends of literalism."

Does anybody notice a common theme here? God's word is just too complex and too deep for you "friends of literalism" to understand. In other words, Stop taking the bible literal when its obvious the book is about your own personal spirit.

If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.

Some advice:
Slowly take the eye plucker out of your hand, put it back in your eye plucking sin expelling box and start taking your sins dead serious.

If the word of God is complete and sufficient for reproof, correction, and for training in righteousness - 2 Timothy 2:16-17, then the last place one should seek Godly wisdom is outside those texts. If it's not, consider yourself God's enemy and the target of His righteous wrath.

The fact that God has commanded something, the Mosaic Law for instance, would necessitate that it indeed has a moral capacity to it; after all, God wrote it. The apostle Paul provides an example of this, among many others, in 1 Corinthians 9:9, “For it is written in the Law of Moses, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING" God is not concerned about oxen, is He?”

R.T. France provides a sufficient and very wise analysis of how and why the New Testament writers utilized the Old Testament texts;
The source of the distinctive Christian use of the Old Testament was not the creative thinking of the primitive community, but that of its founder. It was not the early church which inscribed its theology on the blank cheque of its Master’s teaching, but Jesus whose teaching and life initiated that theology. The church did not create Jesus, but Jesus created the church.

The word’s of Jesus recorded in Matthew 16:15, “He said to them, ‘But who do you say that I am?’”, must be answered with clarity and authority by the faithful.

“The Bible is a Book about God—not a book about human sexuality” - says Soulforce's Rev Mel White. Adopting the view that the Bible promotes the supremacy of love or compassion over the word and law of God, Rev. White has just annihilated the very source of love and compassion, and more important, the very truth taught in the ministry of Christ. When human sexuality is divorced from God’s word, it must then be divorced from truth. It allows him to create his own laws governing human sexuality. If in fact God’s word is employed to strengthen his position, it is thoroughly corrupted to meet a preconceived conclusion; “Often, the Holy Spirit uses science to teach us why those ancient words no longer apply to our modern times”. Notice now the Holy Spirit is used by Rev. White, as if the Holy Spirit is also divorced from Jesus – subtle indeed.

His line of reasoning may sound logical and reasonable to some folks, but this kind of unbiblical interpretation of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit resembles that of a buffet of gods; people pick and choose which god suits their particular appetite, rather than submit their appetites to the eternal truth of the one eternal word of God. It encourages, at a minimum, a “loose” understanding of God’s word - it is after all an “ancient” document and the “holy spirit” tells me so.

The gay Christian movement’s teachings are a direct assault on the word of God. The moment a doctrine dismisses biblical texts, divorces the eternal God from Jesus, dismisses the Old Testament writings, or puts one’s personal “spirit” above the word and law of God; Satan is at work. Jesus’ identity is not rooted in the fashions of the day; it is solidly and historically rooted in the words of scripture. Christ is the word, Christ is God, Christ is King, Christ is Savior, and Christ will return to gather His church.

Heretical teachings will often gain large numbers of supporters when a popular figure; remember Arius was popular in his day, re-invent God’s word. This statement by Archbishop Tutu is an example of that reality today; "If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God" Surely the faithful will not reject God’s word based on His law; sadly Archbishop Tutu and Pastor Dave remain unfaithful. The battles will continue, but peace of mind may be assured in the fact that Christ will indeed build his church, then and now - Matthew 16:18.

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Romans 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

You are right Pastor, these verses are very vague indeed.

The Bible says what it means and it means what it says. Discerning illustrations, metaphors, and literal texts from one another etc.. is not as hard as Pastor Dave and others may lead you to believe. In fact, when one stops living in rebellion to God, the clarity scripture is all the more clear - it is never some hidden mystery. Only God's enemies find it necessary to rewrite, dismiss texts, or corrupt it's perfect clarity - why? to appease, reject and dismiss the very real wrath that awaits them - Satan's age old, time tested, garden mode of operation - surely God didn't say that...



9 comments:

Joe Brummer said...

Mark writes:
The Bible says what it means and it means what it says. Discerning illustrations, metaphors, and literal texts from one another etc.. is not as hard as Pastor Dave and others may lead you to believe.

Joe replies:
and what authority do you use to discern the literal text from the not so literal? Especially considering how the bible was assembled. What do you use as a measure to take and leave text? Is it all literal?

Mark said...

Joe,
I "leave" no text, the canon is closed (ie. the "measure"). What "literal" text(s) do you have a problem with? poking your eye out if it causes you to sin?

Joe Brummer said...

Do you hate your parents?
Do you own slaves?
Have you sold you belongings to follow Christ?

Mark said...

Joe,
Maybe you should try another blog / place to be "noticed".

If you are capable of critizing the authority, the content, the texts, and the absolute eternal truths of scripture; which I am willing to defend, then I assume you can read scripture and are capable of providing.

Try again, last time I will ask, book and verse please.

In the meantime - chew on these Biblical truths:

Do you hate your parents?

No one is required to "love" their parents, although I personally do.

Do you own slaves?

I own nothing, it all belongs to God. If I did, they would be family, and a slave like myself - slaves of Christ.

Have you sold you belongings to follow Christ?

Again, all I "own" belongs to God, I have no belongings He needs.

Joe Brummmer said...

Mark writes: If you are capable of critizing the authority, the content, the texts, and the absolute eternal truths of scripture; which I am willing to defend, then I assume you can read scripture and are capable of providing.

Joe replies: Are you telling me you don't know what text and verses I am referring to? I am surprised, they are well talked about.

Bottom line Mark is you cannot defend the scripture or your faith with anything rational. In the end, at some point you have no choice but to say, It is a matter of faith or that you need the spirit to understand or that it cannot be explained rationally. That is why they call it faith.

I personally get annoyed reading all of your posts that damn, condemn and paint gay people as some spawn of Satan, who I also do not believe in.

There is no point to debating the bible. YOu have convinced yourself the book is the word of god, of course you believe the book is the word, because the book says so. THe book tells you lots of other stuff you seem to ignore, but you can rationalize your way through that, but you can't seem to find any rational explanation for the things that don't make sense. The flood? Talking snakes? Lack of dinosaurs or mention of them?

I don't care if you can defend your faith or not. I care that you paint innocent gay people as the spawns of satan when satan doesn't exist nor does god.

John said...

"Do you hate your parents?

No one is required to "love" their parents, although I personally do.

Do you own slaves?

I own nothing, it all belongs to God. If I did, they would be family, and a slave like myself - slaves of Christ.

Have you sold you belongings to follow Christ?

Again, all I "own" belongs to God, I have no belongings He needs."

This is such sanctimonious crap.
Why not actually answer the question?

Mark said...

@ Joe
thanks, you never let me down.

@John
I did answer his questions, do you have a hard time reading as well?

John said...

I don't have a problem with reading or comprehesion Mark. It's drivel I have a problem with.

Mark said...

John says
This is such sanctimonious crap.
Why not actually answer the question?


Why not address my clearly written answers? If you can read, and if the answers are "sanctimonious" correct me. I love learning.

Does the biblical mention of slaves bother you?

Do the recorded words of Jesus bother you?

Do you hate your parents because they abused you, ignored you, left you for dead or what John?

Do you hate the fact you can't "love" anything more than God and be His follower?

It's clear you don't like my drivel, so why comment here? I think you are afraid, a coward, and the more truth you reject, the greater God's wrath will be upon you. No need to thank me, consider it an act of mercy and run along until you receive exactly what you desire, eh?