Monday, September 14, 2009

“there is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death” (Prov 16:25)

Pastor D.L. Foster has posted and excellent commentary on Tonex. I would only add, Tonex is representative of the spirit of the anti-Christ, the spirit of our age.

Read A sad day for Tonex.

This particular quote from Pastor Foster is nothing short of a blaring Truth which men cannot hide from! "A man’s seed in another man is death, but a man’s seed in a woman (even if it is sin) carries the possibility of life. Attempting to equalize the two is the highest offense to the nature of God who is and gives life."

Pastor Foster addresses with Scriptural profoundness the following:

(1) Tonex says he was molested, but doesn't affix the molestation to his homosexuality.

(2) Tonex says he believe[s] that “God doesn’t honor promiscuity in either hetero or homosexual lifestyles – same gender loving.”

(3) Tonex thinks “safe sex” and so-called gay monogamy are more important than obedience to the will of God.

(4) Finally, Tonex is a false pastor.

"If Tonex were a pastor from God, he would speak against those things done in the dark and against those who think they are hidden from God’s sight."



Beloved Spear said...

An interesting quote from Pastor Foster, but one which seems somewhat ungrounded in scripture.

In Torah, to my understanding, there is no difference between the penalty for same-sex relations (Lev. 20:13) and the penalty for heterosexual adultery (Lev. 20:10). Scripture clearly equalizes the why does Pastor Foster feel justified in that statement?

Mark said...

Have you recently changed your position on homosexuality - that being two men/women in a "committed relationship" is not sin?

If so, I am glad. That said, there is nothing quoted here that addresses "the penalty" - it does however address the offensive attempt to equalize.

Beloved Spear said...

Mark: No, I fear that our agreement on that front is unlikely. Ah well. We should both nonetheless keep working on our faith with fear and trembling.

I'm curious, given the focus on "equalizing" sin in this post, how you'd reconcile Pastor Foster's response with Paul's diatribe in Romans 2. In this core element of his salvation narrative, Paul is clearly indicating that sin is a state of being, and that distinctions between sins are meaningless. From that basis, the statement that "attempting to equalize the two is the highest offense" against God seems, again, without scriptural foundation.

Mark said...

I guess knew I was "wishing" you had turned to the Truth, oh well, you are indeed without excuse, so says Paul, eh?

You state regarding Romans entire chapter two that - Paul is clearly indicating that sin is a state of being, and that distinctions between sins are meaningless.

If sin is, as you seem to imply, is singularly a state of being, then Christ coming to fulfill the law and not to abolish the law would be meaningless, no? Christ’s perfect obedience means what to you, and why is it important, if you think it is at all?

God’s Truths are built into creation itself, natural order. Just as a child need not be taught how to steal before they steal and know it is wrong, a grown man need not be taught that same sex relationships are outside God’s (natural) order. Both the child and man know it is wrong, yet without God’s act, will remain blind. I dare say, you David, are still blind, perhaps well intentioned, but nonetheless spiritually blind. Getting past scripture, its utter clarity, and its Truth built into creation itself, will remain not only a stumbling block for you, but ALL false teachings will most assuredly be loved by the world. Why? Because the word still thinks their sin and blindness is better than the alternative; in other words being god is better than taking delight in God, His word and law. Nothing new really, eh?

Lastly, you state and that distinctions between sins are meaningless.

What does God say?
Luke 10:12-16 NASB
"I say to you, it will be more tolerable in that day for Sodom than for that city.
13"Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had been performed in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
14"But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the judgment than for you.
15"And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will be brought down to Hades!
16"The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me."

Distinctions are not meaningless David, not at all according to God's word.

Beloved Spear said...

Mark: Tru' 'nuff. I am without excuse, because excuses will be totally pointless on the Day of Wrath. Hopefully we agree on that one. ;)

God's truths are indeed part of the natural order...but they rarely define us. We are, after all, fallen creatures and so very easily blinded. You're probably right about the world loving false teachings that appeal to worldly standards. It's why both scriptural literalism and the prosperity gospel do so well. Heh.

As for Sin being a state of being, and distinctions between sins being irrelevant, Paul makes that case in Romans. But Romans is complex, so let's ask: what does the Lord say right after your quote from Matthew 5?

"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

My perspective on distinctions between manifestations of Sin is one I share with with Paul, and with Christ. For that, I make no excuses.

Mark said...

I quoted Luke 10:12-16, not Matthew 5.

God's truths are indeed part of the natural order...but they rarely define us.

No Sir, they always define us. As you state, we are indeed fallen, thus we must live by His spirit, His word, His will, and not our fallen flesh. I think you are contradicting yourself.

"Scriptural literalism" as you refer to, I fear is nothing more than a false assupmtion that God's word should not be taken literal when it is meant to be. Is it your position man is unable to discern the difference and properly arrive at His communicated Truth?

My perspective on distinctions between manifestations of Sin is one I share with with Paul, and with Christ. For that, I make no excuses.

Why don't you give me the scripture that leads you to such a "perspective"? Perhaps then, I will be able to help you understand what Christians already understand with absoulte clarity and certainty summarized for you here:

- 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior denounce it as sin in the strongest possible terms.

- 100% of the verses referencing God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.

- 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).

- 0% of 31,102 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions.

gcmwatch said...

"...Paul's diatribe"

The fact that BS called any portion of God's word a "diatribe" is due evidence that he is not a person who holds it as something of value.

Instead the questions are but mere foolishness born out of man's hatred for God's truth.

That's how we reconcile that.

Mark said...

DL - that is only the begining; I won't even go into how "pastor" David refers to John.